Re: New Version Notification for draft-baker-tsvwg-aqm-recommendation-00.txt

2013-03-13 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
Folks. I posted the email I sent yesterday as a draft, for discussion. I welcome comments, and if substantive comments are made, suggested text. On Mar 13, 2013, at 12:48 PM, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: A new version of I-D, draft-baker-tsvwg-aqm-recommendation-00.txt has been

Re: [tsvwg] New Version Notification for draft-baker-tsvwg-aqm-recommendation-00.txt

2013-03-13 Thread gorry
Fred, Comments below: Section 2, pt 2 Deployed AQM SHOULD use ECN as well as loss, and set thresholds to mark traffic earlier than it is lost. - This is not clear, I agree SHOULD use ECN for ECT traffic, of course. - I'm not sure about threshold question that sets ECN drop before ECN loss - I

AQM work

2013-03-13 Thread Roland Bless
Hi, two things (not sure whether tsv-area or tsvwg is appropriate) following today's AQM discussion in the tsvarea meeting: - IMHO AQM work is strongly related to the transport area as transport protocols are affected (as Lars already mentioned) and we also have ECN which is not working

Re: [tsvwg] New Version Notification for draft-baker-tsvwg-aqm-recommendation-00.txt

2013-03-13 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
On Mar 13, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: Folks. I posted the email I sent yesterday as a draft, for discussion. I welcome comments, and if substantive comments are made, suggested text. I voiced my opinion on

Re: [tsvwg] New Version Notification for draft-baker-tsvwg-aqm-recommendation-00.txt

2013-03-13 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
On Mar 13, 2013, at 2:28 PM, go...@erg.abdn.ac.uk wrote: Fred, Comments below: Section 2, pt 2 Deployed AQM SHOULD use ECN as well as loss, and set thresholds to mark traffic earlier than it is lost. - This is not clear, I agree SHOULD use ECN for ECT traffic, of course. - I'm not

new AQM list

2013-03-13 Thread Wesley Eddy
Following on the TSVAREA meeting today, we started a new non-WG mailing list called AQM for Active Queue Management topics: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/aqm This is intended to be the place to discuss drafts, and proposing a BoF or WG charter for AQM work, along with anything else

Re: [tsvwg] New Version Notification for draft-baker-tsvwg-aqm-recommendation-00.txt

2013-03-13 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: That depends on how FQ is implemented. The implementation I did in 1994 probably would have been high overhead. It has been minted by others, and I believe rewritten to be a calendar queue implementation. For that, I would not expect it was that

Re: [tsvwg] New Version Notification for draft-baker-tsvwg-aqm-recommendation-00.txt

2013-03-13 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Andrew McGregor wrote: A Netgear WNDR3800 (680MHz MIPS) can handle fq_codel on two flat out 802.11n interfaces at the same time and still be very lightly loaded. CPU is not a problem because fq_codel is a tiny fraction of the usage of the firewall, connection tracking and

Re: [tsvwg] New Version Notification for draft-baker-tsvwg-aqm-recommendation-00.txt

2013-03-13 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013, Michael Welzl wrote: As I just said to Mikael, I don't think I worded that one well. I'm envisaging two thresholds, testing two stress levels. It a lower one, one marks ECN-capable traffic and drops non-ECN-capable traffic; at the higher one, one drops from all traffic.