2004-08-20
2013-05-30
Almost ten years and 1834 comments, and bug FIXED.
great job Open Source!
Anyway would be really nice if google one day will start calling android
just Android/Linux
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Martyn putting $ on Microsoft is not cool anymore. It's used by trolls.
If we advocate enough, eventually we'll see changes
On 2013-05-30 4:21 AM, Martyn Vallett 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
Micro$haft still have a grip in Australia, but I have been noticing that
chrome OS and andriod
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I'm very happy to see this bug be closed. :D
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The fix is invalid: the bug clearly states that it covers desktop PC
market, while the fix cites general consumer computing market
statistics. While it is true that with the spread of mobile platforms
desktop market share is less important for Ubuntu, desktop market
specifically is still heavily
I do not agree with this bug being fixed.
Even if the PC market is declining, it's still going to be here for a
long while, as tablets/phones are currently consumer-centric and we
still need workstations. That market still has only two major players
in it: Mac OS and Windows. Which means
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As some others have said I wouldn't yet regard this bug as having been
fixed, although the situation today is marginally better than it was in
2004. If I walk into an electrical store, supermarket or any of the
places where people commonly buy desktop or laptop computers chances are
that there
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Back when the #1 bug was fixed, PC was almost the only stuff to work and
communicate in the digital world. Since, smartphones, tablets and other
devices appear. They are computers, and they don't run a Microsoft OS.
So, yes, the bug is fixed. And in many countries, brands like Lenovo
sells more PC
Good news everyone :)
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10x to Win 8 :D
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Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant to fix. As the
philosophy of the
In my view this was never really a bug.
There are dozens of other bugs that need to be fixed to make the Ubuntu
family 100% usable and a real alternatives to Windows.
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+1
It is already the year of the linux desktop except that it's really the year
of the linux portable device because people are increasingly moving away from
desktops.
Regards from
Tom :)
From: ttoine tto...@ttoine.net
Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2013,
It's werid that we celebrate the fact that we already failed in the
desktop market; consider GNOME's 10x10 goal and the reality.
I'm a FOSS advocate but I feel that the result is well deserved.
What's the point of Windows? It is a DEPENDABLE platform that developers
can write software and make
I agree with Mark that things have changed...
If we take the term PC to mean personal computing, which is proper, then
indeed Microsoft no longer has market dominance.
I also focus on this part of Mark's statement:
But it's better for us to focus our intent on excellence in our own
right,
The closure comment reads like something agreed to as part of a deal
with Microsoft. Declaring a bug to be fixed and actually fixing it are
two different things. Shuttleworth should know this.
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That is what i thought at first but there was a crucial paragraph in there that
said the main aim is now to just increase the quality of the product rather
than the main aim being to fix this bug.
Personally i have always seen this as a longer-term wish-list or feature
request rather
Well, I don't think Mark said anything like 'give up'. I agree that
this bug has evolved to the point that it has to be closed due to a
major change in character. My suggestion: Mark (not anyone else)
submit a new bug commanding the 'state of the art'. If Mark is still of
folowing this after
Hi :)
Have to disagree with the top man. Ubuntu played a huge part.
Ubuntu got out there into the mainstream press over and over again. Not as a
quirky, insane, anarchistic, geek toy but as a serious business tool with
repeated successes in many companies around the globe. Redhat had
@Barry For the record, FOSS does not imply software that is free as in
beer. The protagonists of free software - the folks at GNU - openly state
on www.gnu.org that it is perfectly acceptable to sell software free as
in freedom for money.
Hi :)
Have to disagree with the top man. Ubuntu played a
Sorry Mark, but as many above I also cannot consider this bug being
fixed. Only last week I wanted to buy a new Canonical certified
hardware from Dell - they definitely do not want to sell a non-Windows
PC to me. Best offer I could get (after insisting) is at about 1 third
more expensive. I never
Just this week, a corporate customer with whom I am starting a business
relationship sent me a ms word document with a form that I needed to fill in
order for them to register me as a supplier.
Needless to say, I had to use ms word to open it. I tried to do it in
libreoffice but all the layout
way and beginning to
move quite a lot more quickly. Are businesses going to be ready? Your new
corporate customer's isn't. Yours is.
Regards from
Tom :)
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Hi :)
I think it is fairly easy to install for most people. Even people that have no
experience installing any other OS. It takes me around an hour or more but i
add tons of extras such as Medibuntu and am typically doing so on fairly
ancient machines. As a noob it took me a lot longer
Hi :)
The problem is that people are comparing installing Ubuntu against using a
system that is already installed for them.
A pre-installed systems means you don't have to do anything to install it. Of
course that is easier than installing it yourself!
I'm not quite sure about the
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 3:40 AM, A. Denton aqu...@tron-delta.org wrote:
The bugs name should be altered. I think Microsoft is just one player in
this game.
I agree with you. However, from all the players Microsoft is the one
that affects me most (in a negative way). And I say this although (or
The problem is that on one side we have
Microsoft
Apple
Google and so on, on the other we have
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Having this kind of fragmentation isn't really BAD for the whole linux
community, as a developer I spend so much of my
Part of the problem has to be OUR negative thinking. We have a problem
with users still making a valid point in saying Ubuntu is to hard to
install. Just try installing Microsoft Windows from scratch. The last
fresh install of Ubuntu 13.10 took me less than twenty minutes and
worked 'out of the
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The bugs name should be altered. I think Microsoft is just one player in
this game. Have you realized some things changed since the 90's? Just
imagine... Oracle took over Sun, Apple released OS 10 (X) and BSD is a
powerful and usable OS . :-]
Seriously guys I think Microsoft is not the biggest
The usability of windows is easier than ubuntu. Why? It's the mind that plays
the game. Every person i know is afraid to install ubuntu on their metal. Why?
Because they think of it as a geek, hacker, complex operating system.
Smart people use ubuntu. Why android is so popular even though it is
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The usability of windows is easier than ubuntu. Why? It's the mind that plays
the game. Every person i know is afraid to install ubuntu on their metal.
Why? Because they think of it as a geek, hacker, complex
@Barry and @Tom
I appreciate that you are telling me the way which is supposed to give
results, but have you actually done this yourselves?
Trust me, I am not shy in expressing my opinions.
If I walked into a PC World and started ranting off about the lack of support
for Linux I would be
Hi :)
Barry has. Check his recent attachments to this list.
I'm
not suggesting ranting. Richard Stallman seems to get away with it but
i probably wouldn't. Barry's approach seemed to be very effective.
Make them feel the market pull. The market is changing. These shops
will only
Exactly Tom! And it gets better! A colleague to whom I recommended the Advent
printer contacted Kodak as I suggested. He received the following reply:
Firstly, thank you very much for your feedback. I understand your concerns and
would like to apologise for any inconvenience that the lack of
On 05/08/2013 06:27 AM, Graham wrote:
If I walked into a PC World and started ranting off about the lack of support
for Linux I would be escorted off the premises.
And you know it.
As far as complaining to the CEO... have you considered what is in it
for them?
Do you think you could
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Graham ubu...@grahams.idps.co.uk wrote:
If I walked into a PC World and started ranting off about the lack of support
for Linux I would be escorted off the premises.
And you know it.
And that's why sometimes Linux folks are put into the same basket as
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I have Ubuntu in my home, I have also an IT built laptop at work (build
with Windows 7) on which I run a VM with Ubuntu.
I use Linux and Ubuntu in all areas of computing where usually one would
expect to see Windows
I have no _need_ for Windows, nor has anyone else in my opinion.
Not
Graham said: So I go to my local PC world and look for a Linux PC ..?
NO you go to your local PC World and complain ... to the staff, then to
the manager. Gently, but firmly, to the effect that they are bound to
give proper support to all of their Linux compatible products, (at this
time
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Hi :)
+1
Long gone are the days of behaving like a gentleman and getting treated
with respect as a result. If you think you might be shyembarrassed
then read up on Richard Stallman's philosophies or get the slightly more
corporate approach from the Free Software Foundation. Either should
help
Thought I'd attach all the bug report responses from Dixons/PC-World
group.
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Hi :)Lol, nice! Errr, you realise this is an intenational online
resource that may stand forever?
Also that this bug-repoort is usually used for general gripping or for
occasionally shouts of triumph/joy.
It's not usually used as a marketing list for assessing specific strategies or
ideas.
On 05/05/13 20:24, Tom wrote:
It's not usually used as a marketing list for assessing specific strategies
or ideas. There must be a marketing list or something that would really
appreciate all this work a lot more and be able to use the intelligence. Now
that it is up and avilable it
Hi,
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Barry Drake b.dr...@ntlworld.com wrote:
Ubuntu is a fantastic community, but is is too fragmented and anarchic
to debug this particular bug!
If Ubuntu would be a terror organisation, I think everybody would see
exactly that - the thinking global and acting
I've been trying to find a workaround for this bug for about four years.
My latest effort has not been directly to confront the bug, but to look
at the effect it is having on peripherals. A recent complaint about
support for printers from our local branch of PC World brought me the
following when
Ubuntu has a majority Chinese market share
Ubuntu has a majority market share in the Chinese desktop PC marketplace.
This is a bug which Linux Deepin and other projects are meant to fix.
As the philosophy of the Linux Deepin Project states, Our work is driven by a
belief that software should
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Luis Alvarado (luisalvarado) wrote on 2013-04-05:
There is work in progress to solve this bug. You can find some of the
progress here:
http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2408515 and
Hi :)
When this bug-report was first posted the IT world was a very different place.
I think it was even before netbooks!
There are a couple of ironies now
1. The long awaited Year of the Linux Desktop is already happening but we
kinda missed it or don't notice it because it's not about
There is work in progress to solve this bug. You can find some of the
progress here: http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2408515 and
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/microsofts-market-dominance-is-
coming-to-an-end-say-leading-analysts
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Are you sure you are not Torrenting something? I usually deliberately leave my
torrenting-client on for a while after i download something with the aim of
uploading it 2 or 3 times before switching it off. The defaults are to upload
as much as possible but i usually throttle that down
Martyn Vallett 1...@bugs.launchpad.net:
How do I do that? (I didn't even know that was possible...)
It looks like you are pretty fast in making conclusions without enough
proove. You could use tcpdump or wireshark to investigate traffic - as
maybe it's just ubuntuone. Use the inotify tools (just
I had already turned it off, and then it decided to leak the data. I am
also curious what the 'Data' that it was sending was.
There are three things off the top of my head that could be
communicating back... The Amazon silliness, Landscape and Popularity
Contest (popcon) assuming, of course,
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Martyn Vallett 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
I had already turned it off, and then it decided to leak the data. I am
also curious what the 'Data' that it was sending was.
Do you have more details on the data or how you discovered the leak?
For example the
Do you have more details on the data or how you discovered the leak?
I was causually surfing the web and I noticed it was overly laggy, so I
went into the system monitor and noticed that my system was uploading at
it's maxiumum rate. (Which in my case is about 30kb/s) This was leaving
barely
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Do you have more details on the data or how you discovered the leak?
I was causually surfing the web and I noticed it was overly laggy, so I
went into the system monitor and noticed that my system was uploading at
What? You didn't grab a real data-stream and investigate the content?
How do I do that? (I didn't even know that was possible...)
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Another problem that should be fixed in ubuntu is the data leaks caused
by the spyware of the webapps.
Not again!
Yes, it was not really ok to add the amazon and online search. I think,
even Canonical knows in the meantime that everybody else in the community
dislikes that.
But please, there is
Yes, it was not really ok to add the amazon and online search. I think,
even Canonical knows in the meantime that everybody else in the community
dislikes that.
Agreed.
But please, there is the switch to turn it off even in the GUI of the
privacy settings, so this is not really a problem!
I
Another problem that should be fixed in ubuntu is the data leaks caused by the
spyware of the webapps.
On one particular occasion I experienced a MASSIVE data leak beaming to an IP
address owned by canonical. The lag caused by this actually quite literally
grinded my web surfing to a halt. I
The 11.10 was a bit of a nightmare for a lot of us and the 11.04
(6months earlier) was even worse.
The thing I always remembered about 11.10 was that I would get some
stupid error message stating that it couldn't update after a week or two
of installing, another time I used ubuntu 10.04 on a
To all those who are asking:
Firstly: I initially installed ubuntu 12.10 beta on the computer I am
using now, I downloaded it from the offical daily builds. After that I
directly upgraded to 13.04.
Secondly: I do have the apport package, It will only start spamming
about program crashes after
Hi :)
The best place to get normal Ubuntu from is
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
and avoid installing apport.
It sounds like you are looking for trouble by trying to use unstable
alpha-test versions that would only normally be used by certain devs
working on fairly specific projects.
Firstly I report bugs that I find if I am on the internet when they
occur.
Secondly I am sorry if I come across as looking for trouble, but what I
say is what I think could help combat this bug.
Thirdly, when I was asking about overclocking I meant that there was no
'Custom Setting' sort of
Hi :)
Sorry, i didn't mean you were deliberately seeking out trouble. Just that it
seems you have done what most of us did in our early days too. There is a LOT
of advice out there and not all of it is good for all occasions.
Often people claim that the only legitimate way of doing
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:16 AM, MDV 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
Firstly something that would appeal to the gaming market is an
overclocking and underclocking feature, as some people prefer to do
overclocking in their OS, but we don't appear to have any such programs.
And other groups like
Hi :)
I don't have any of those problems.
Perhaps you need to check that you have an official Cd or downloaded
from the official website and then md5sum or Sha check the Cd or Usb
that you use to install Ubuntu.
1. Overclocking and underclocking. Doesn't this need to be done from
inside the
Hi :)
Wow!! Some good links there from other people!
There was 1 release that had a lot of problems with segmentation faults.
That got fixed and doesn't seem to have reappeared in any of the subsequent
releases in the last few years.
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I don't have any of those problems.
Perhaps you need to check that you have an official Cd or downloaded
from the official website and then md5sum or Sha check the Cd or Usb
that you use to install Ubuntu.
1
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
Perhaps you need to check that you have an official Cd or downloaded
from the official website and then md5sum or Sha check the Cd or Usb
that you use to install Ubuntu.
I only use images from the official download page and
Hi :)
Martin, i wasn't referring to you having bad Cd images, i was referring
to the person that seems to have had multiple problems that the rest of
us hasn't (or only had in certain unusual cases when doing something
quite peculiar).
I am curious about setting up a login to a Ctirx server
Hi :)
+1
I think MDV somehow got a corrupted Cd or else was using Windows and didn't
notice. I've done it myself sometimes at work. Xp and Ubuntu feel so
comfortable, even the 12.04.
Win7 is not to bad either although it's a bit weird to get a pop-up box
demanding to know if you want to
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
I am curious about setting up a login to a Ctirx server btw. Could you give
links or contact me off-list?
I have sent you information.
Also a LOT of times i find that people claim to have become infected by
some sort of
Hi :)
Thanks for the off-list help there Marin :) Should help improve my
relationship with my boss :)
All Windows 'security' seems to be just a layer added on top of a
fundamentally insecure system. Where Win7 appears to have something
similar to sudo or gksu that really feels like something
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
Thanks for the off-list help there Marin :) Should help improve my
relationship with my boss :)
Sounds familiar to me... ;-)
Programs need to operate without constantly asking the
users permissions but have they all
Here are some suggestions to help fix this bug:
Firstly something that would appeal to the gaming market is an
overclocking and underclocking feature, as some people prefer to do
overclocking in their OS, but we don't appear to have any such programs.
And other groups like to underclock their
Hi :)
There might be proprietary software in the Software Centre but that is like
saying you can't walk into a high-street shop if you have no intention of
buying anything.
Of course you can still buy and sell Cds or Dvds with Ubuntu on and of
course you can still sell support services either
+1
On 17 January 2013 17:26, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote:
Hi :)
There might be proprietary software in the Software Centre but that is
like saying you can't walk into a high-street shop if you have no intention
of buying anything.
Of course you can still buy and sell Cds or Dvds
I would say two things, one intellectual an one moral:
- The intellectual: no one really knows why some important decisions are
taken in certain direction in this project. For example like why in the
Ubuntu One Client naming jumping the promise of branding Ubuntu only
the project itself ,
Something needs to be done to get the OEM's to start making laptops
without operating systems or a linux distro. For example, Dell appears
to have broken their partnership with ubuntu, and on their website the
laptops seem to only be bundled with Windows 7 or 8, with no option of
having the laptop
Hi,
not sure, if anybody who can make decisions is still reading this, but
I have installed Ubuntu 12.10 for a total beginner (this is what
Ubuntu claims to be most adapted for):
a) Never ever a total beginner is able to install and setup Ubuntu on
his own - will always need help (I already
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there are just a few firms (garlach44, system76 and others) selling pcs
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sector might be a very good first step. maybe one day linux enterprises
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Also i think it might help to just run a standard programs updates/upgrades
while sticking with the 12.04 LTS. With the Unity interface i usually use the
Software Manager to install Synaptic Package Manager and then do all my
installs and upgrading from Synaptic. Dunno what came as
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