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* Allow user to close the restart required dialog (LP: #1033226)
- Add a settings button
- Add a Restart Later button
- Rename existing button to Restart
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This bug was fixed in the package update-manager - 1:0.196.6
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update-manager (1:0.196.6) trusty; urgency=low
* Allow user to close the restart required dialog (LP: #1033226)
- Add a settings button
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This bug was fixed in the package update-notifier - 0.151
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update-notifier (0.151) trusty; urgency=low
* If there are no updates available, still nag the user if a reboot is
required, in case the notification window was dismissed. (LP: #1033226)
-- Marc Deslauriers
** Patch added: Patch for update-notifier v2
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This was mentioned here almost 59+1 times already but anyway, it seems
that it needs to be said again. The soft requirement to restart was one
of the Ubuntu selling points. Removing the Restart later button (which
was the defaut) accompanioned then by soft reminder -- a red turn off
button (in
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Status: Triaged = In Progress
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Matthew Brush, your patch is a first step, though re-adding the close
button would just increase inconsistency between Compiz/Unity 7 (where
dialogs can have close buttons) and Unity 8 (where none will).
More importantly, in its current state the patch contains a security
vulnerability: if
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Matthew Paul Thomas, I don't know about Unity, I've never used it (using
XFCE here), but it's kind of not a close button, more like a dismiss
button, if that makes anyone feel better. All dialogs should have a way
to close them without doing anything, always, even if it's like Your
house is on
Here are some very preliminary debdiffs that implement 1-4. (Not exactly
sure what #5 means yet.)
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Title:
No close option, only restart
To
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Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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Doing stuff like disabling window manager close buttons is very very not
cool.
** Patch added: Allow user to control own computer.
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Well, when waking from sleep this means you're about to use the
computer. Windows already does that and every time I postpone the
restart anyway. Couldn't Ubuntu just restart programs and services which
needs update anyway? The only reason for a reboot would be a local
exploit which most desktop
The user could be asked again on waking from sleep - that'd be a
reasonable point for many people, because they just got their computer
out and are preparing to use it, but are not in the middle of things.
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Well, nearly a year has passed and apparently there is no intention of
fixing this. Lord knows there are a million other bugs in Ubuntu that
need attention but putting an extra button on a dialog box is a pretty
simple thing to implement. It could be done in an hour (actually less)
This is one of
I am just wondering whether it would be better to have an automatic
restart ... like in Windows
Excuse me, but WTF? What the hell have you been smoking? This is a disaster in
usability.
He I'm happily editing my Office document ... aaand its gone (due to a stupid
unecessary reboot).
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This is definitely one of the most annoying things in Ubuntu. At least
it's not as pushy as it is in Windows. IMHO, it should just hide away in
the system menu indicator (cog thing in the top right corner, whatever
it's called) after the updates should be completed, gently reminding the
user to
I am just wondering whether it would be better to have an automatic
restart, perhaps in a pop up warning that it will restart and giving an
option to postpone like in Windows (and then perhaps ignore the
postponed time, again like Windows). This would require even less
thought on my part and allow
Well I can only understand this suggestion as a joke! Since when is Windows
an example?
A timed restart is nothing but dangerous. The user is perfectly capable of
choosing when to restart.
If a non default option to enable the suggested behavior should exist, I
would have no problem though
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I would also like to see a close button back on that dialog. Don't
bother users with this persistent window polluting the desktop.
There used to be a nice restart recommended indicator before by making
the gear icon in the indicator menu red and IMHO that was more than
enough. Those who are
You can also do SUPER+w to spread the windows, then you will see an X on
the window you want to close.
By the way, I am in agreement that this is a bug that needs fixing; the
fact that we are discussing all these alternative ways to close a window
is a little ridiculous.
On 06/01/2013 08:35
(2013-05-31 15:29 UTC-0600) thedanyes 1033...@bugs.launchpad.net:
An attempt to make up for weaknesses in the normal restart process by
adding new places to restart from doesn't make sense to me.
Matteo is not asking for a new restart button or method, he is just
stating that if an update
Closing the dialog without restarting can be done in several
alternative ways,
Really? Oh please tell me one, I haven't found any (only minimizing, but
it keeps showing up in the launcher)
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(2013-06-01 17:46 UTC-0600) matteo sisti sette
1033...@bugs.launchpad.net:
Closing the dialog without restarting can be done in several alternative
ways
Really? Oh please tell me one, I haven't found any (only minimizing, but
it keeps showing up in the launcher)
Well killing the process
@matteosistisette
You wouldn't really need to click the okay, since you're restarting anyway, and
it seems like the rest of your steps only lament how difficult it is to restart
through the normal Ubuntu unity menu interface. If there's some issue with the
normal restart process (and I'm not
The normal process to restart, when you restart on your own initiative,
is perfectly fine for me. But when the computer is suggesting you an
**extra** restart that you didn't plan, which is needed to have the
updates take effect, you should be able to accept and have it done with
just one click,
I'd be fine with a 'restart later' button or a 'don't remind me again'
button, though I still think it comes across as arrogant to imply an
immediate restart should be done without giving the user any specific
details about which update(s) require a restart or why a restart is
necessary.
I
How this hasn't been sorted yet is beyond me for such a simple issue
that people keep overcomplicating. Just give us a simple I will restart
later button and then let us restart when we want. It can be that
simple if the developers let it be.
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To be perfectly honest, in order to be able to defend this UX-wise
atrocity, I think the persons responsible have a moral duty to explain
in great detail to the developers and maintainers of every single other
package manager - especially apt and dpkg - why they also need to
implement this
I'd be fine with a 'restart later' button or a 'don't remind me again'
button, though I still think it comes across as arrogant to imply an
immediate restart should be done without giving the user any specific
details about which update(s) require a restart or why a restart is
necessary.
I still
From my perusal of the comments, I don't think anybody has mentioned
this particular option yet.
Restart -- Remind me later -- Don't remind me again
This might be a good short-term solution. As discussed, there's a tricky
balance with how long you make the interval between repeat nagging, and
Hi,
I can confirm this. On my business PC runs 12.04 which allows me to close the
upgrade dialog and leaves me the option to reboot or shutdown whenever I prefer
to do so.
On my home PC, I'm running 12.10 which does not allow to close the dialog and
ignore the reboot prompt. Why bothering
I can still see the MessageBox in the source code and it has only the
Reboot button. But anyway this works fine for me (using 12.04.2). The
message, that I should reboot, is now directly on the update manager
main window and after closing it I have the red notifier icon in the top
right of the
@Andreas I think this is a regression in 12.10 that never existed in 12.04 and
hasn't beeb addressed yet in 12.10
I am experiencing this in 12.10
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It worries me that Canonical personnel like Mr. Mathew here have this
ideology. The freedom of the user shall never be restricted in an OS
like Ubuntu, and thus the Software Center or any other system
application will never force a user to restart or do anything else at
any time, he will be warned
thedanyes, I think your hypothetical is addressed by my previous
comment. If Ubuntu becomes extremely popular, and the proportion of
people who delay restarting becomes a substantial security problem, it
may indeed become necessary to force restarting, by changing the
Install button to Install and
** Description changed:
The latest updates to software updater in 12.10 has only given one
option in the pop up after installing updates and that is to restart,
where is my restart later or close option?
- This is a big usability bug!
+
Mathhew: I still can't thank you enough for actually working on this,
but I'm afraid I still disagree with some of the premises:
1) No update (except kernel if you aren't running ksplice) should
require a restart for it's own sake. dpkg does provide for restarting
daemons, in which case they will
Observe in the above comment that we shift the responsibility to
ourselves, as developers, instead of just dictating that we want the
user to, essentially, throw away most of the context and focus of
whatever work was done since the last reboot, just because we are
lazy...
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I also think that changing the shutdown menu color was enough. A close
window option should definitely be returned.
If updates render the system unstable unless a restart is done right
away, something should be done about the updating system itself (maybe
mimic the Chromium approach, they did it
What was wrong with turning the shutdown menu bit red as in precise?
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thedanyes: As will be apparent from my comments above, you and I agree
on this problem, but UX-wise, there should not be exactly *one* button -
OK, since some people might wonder whether that will trigger said
reboot.
Thus, as I think has been covered above, there should be exactly two
buttons,
Maybe this will clarify the situation: Let's say we turned this into a
configurable behavior. What would the configuration option say? Force
user to reboot after updates - OFF/ON
Can you imagine anyone purposely setting that option to ON for their own
system? Of course not. Even people who
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Matthew: It's really great to see you put so much work into this -
though we may disagree, you are actually doing something!
I'd have to say that the upper left version appeals to me the most,
although I disagree a bit with the phrasing. To the best of my
knowledge, most *nix software doesn't
Matthew: It's really great to see you put so much work into this!
Thanks from me as well :)
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Title:
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Fjodor, sure, it would make sense to special-case Ksplice, if a non-
trivial proportion of Ubuntu users ran it. There are always exceptions
like that, and like the NAT case, and deciding whether to handle them
would be much easier with stats about how common they are.
Nobody has ever suggested an
Matthew, well, you are correct, of course, that the dialog asking for a
reboot has been improved with an option to minimise it, but I still fail
to see what the point in not making it closeable might be. This, to me,
constitutes suggesting an immediate reboot.
Anyway, barring a simple,
An update never forces you to restart the OS. But when there is a
security update for a component that Ubuntu does not have the technology
to restart in-place (the kernel, glibc, etc), for as long as you don't
restart, you are at just as much risk as if you hadn't installed the
security update at
It's not just the bare operating system, but also a bunch of user programs.
I tend to have many programs opened at once, such as different editors for
different tasks (programming in different languages requires different editors
;) or media players or chat windows.
So the restarting itself (of
Mathhew: Would it be reasonable for me to assume, then, that you will
quit the nagging if you, somehow, magically, detect that I run Ksplice?
Regardless, a very valuable part of security assessment is possible
attack vectors, and I'd be hard pressed to agree that prompting me to
restart my
Maybe there could be 2 buttons,
Restart and Do not restart.
The Do not restart button is gray and disabled at first and only becomes
clickable if you
enable a checkbox I know my risk about not restarting, I really want to
restart later with a link explaining what Matthew wrote (No security
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(But not annoying enough for you to subscribe to the bug report,
apparently.:-)
There's one more tricky issue to consider: what if you choose to restart
later, but then other updates become available, and you open Software
Updater to install those. Probably we'd need to embed a reminder to
First of all, Matthew, thank you for actually working on this!
However, the following fresh idea might be based on a lack of
knowledge about a change in the state of affairs of Linux software
(possibly attributable to sky-rocketing complexity), but except for
upgrades to large swaths of core
Please revert, this IS really annoying me to death!
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Yes, I just need to define what exactly the Restart Later button would
do. When would it remind you again? For a security update that requires
restart, if you choose not to restart, you are in a situation equivalent
to not having the update installed. So perhaps the reminder should be as
frequent
What about using a timed notification, e.g. every 30 mins a reminder
pops up in the notification area. Much less obtrusive than something
that needs to be clicked away, but significantly nagging enough that the
user would remember and restart fairly shortly after the update.
That would certainly
Both ideas are way too nagging in my opinion.
Currently(?) or in former versions of Ubuntu you just had the Menu Button being
colored differently, i.e. red.
This would be enough for me to know I need to restart soon.
However I do not want to be restricted or distracted while having not
Re the past 3 comments, I'd like to suggest no repeat nagging, but
instead of the text Restart Later, we might say I'll restart (by my?)
myself or something to that effect.
Not only does that mimic the earlier behaviour of restart later, but
it actually and actively gives the message that the
Matthew any word on if you are still working on this?
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How did this make it through? Is there any automated testing to prevent
against core interface buttons get deleted?
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As a full time sysadmin this doesn't count as usability. On XFCE it's
time to resort to xkill. Encourage restarts by all means, but leaving
the box up like this is acting as a nanny state which just annoys
people. It's almost as bad as the one Windows had(has?)
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Please bring back the restart later button!
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Status: Triaged = Confirmed
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Assignee: (unassigned) = Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
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One of my main selling points when encouraging my friends and family
to switch to Linux (and Ubuntu in particular) has been that restarts are
seldom necessary - hitherto proudly displayed by the Restart Later
button.
Incidentally, I'm not aware of any equivalent to the workaround
mentioned in #2
What's the hurry to restart so soon anyway? Don't mimic Windows, Adobe,
Java and force the user to reboot with time wasting popups, you know the
user will ignore it anyway.
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Status: Confirmed = Triaged
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Importance: Undecided = Medium
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Wow someone finally decided to work on this?
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In duplicate bug 1051828, Michael Muller makes this point:
After applying updates via update-manager, a window pops up which tells
the user to restart his system. Unlike most windows, there is only a
ok button but no cancel button. This may confuse people as they just
click the button to kill
Thanks for pointing out the workaround - I hadn't seen that. But it's a
pity that we have to learn workarounds for basic issues like this.
Sometimes I'm prompted to restart when I know for a fact that I don't
need to.
And while we're on usability bugs, does update-manager have to do an
update
One thing - closing update manager from the Unity quicklist is still
available. Right click on the launcher icon. I think the new design is
intended to push users to restart soon. That's basically a good thing,
and from my POV as a user, having that one way to close it may be
enough. Thanks.
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.
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** Description changed:
The latest updates to software updater in 12.10 has only given one
option in the pop up after installing updates and that is to restart,
- why is my restart later or close option?
+ where is my restart later or close option?
This is a big usability bug!
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