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left TPP/2 IBM TrackPoint "sticks on" randomly (X250 15.04)
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Dear Antti,
I am still having the problem today, which I previously described as
the "random mouse" problem.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1506817
https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-certification/+question/272142
Presently I'm using an X260 with 18.04 ubuntu.
The
Running bionic with 4.15.0-34-generic on T460s, a pretty good repro for
me is
1. Place two fingers on the touchpad
2. Try to press a button while keeping two fingers on the touchpad
For me, evtest reports of button events get very erratic when two
fingers are kept on the touchpad. When I do not
> Since it seems to all be working for me, I hesitate to mess with it.
Yeah, I understand!
> So my workaround, and it is quite effective is to place two large
> bandaids on the left and right side of the touchpad,
LOL. I thought about doing that as well! It's that annoying.
> what would happen
Hi Pascal,
Since it seems to all be working for me, I hesitate to mess with it.
I still have two issues, neither of which are too serious (or else maybe
I still dont understand them).
1) The touch pad, under synaptic, is supposed to scroll when you touch
it with two fingers. With your
Having found a way to reliably reproduce the issue I vaguely understand
what is happening.
The kernel psmouse driver probes the TouchPad, reognizes it as a
Synaptic touchpad, and performs Synaptic-specific initialization. This
happens regardless of whether the TouchPad is switched off in the BIOS
I have had an engineer replace the TrackPad just to make sure, but the
problem persists.
I can reliably reproduce the problem now though.
If, while pressing the top buttons on the TrackPad (the physical ones),
you simultaneously touch the TrackPad itself with your thumb, and then
release the
Dear Pascal
This is very strange. I'm going now since 12/31/16, and now its 1/3/17, thus
somewhere between 3-4 days.
I have tested it, and have not seen any problem.
You suggest removing the trackpad in the bios. That worked for me in the past
(limited success), but with my present BIOS (the
Happy to hear the workaround is useful Jont.
In the meantime I have experienced stuck buttons a few times, but a lot
less frequently. It seems to help to disable the trackpad in the BIOS.
It may be related to waking up from a sleep state (wild conjecture).
All in all I wouldn't say this was
A very minor correction:
4. Create /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d90-x250-trackpoint.conf
...
this should be
4. Create /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/90-x250-trackpoint.conf <--- there is a
"/" missing
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Pascal,
I installed your suggested fix, and it works perfectly. I have been using it
for more than 24 hours,
and the button-sticking problem is gone.
I am able to return to using the X250. It was sitting on the desk,
unused, but now its back in operation.
I cant thank you enought.
SOLVED
Jont
SOLVED
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Title:
left TPP/2 IBM TrackPoint "sticks on" randomly (X250 15.04)
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Same problem here on 16.04 and X250. Mouse buttons sometimes get stuck,
not only the left but also the middle and probably the right buttons.
They are used much less frequently so you don't notice it as much.
The workaround in
I'd like to add: Same problem with left mouse button. Also, same,
extremely annoying, behaviour on X250.
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good, I'm glad someone else is seeing this problem.
Here is a test I would like you to try:
boot up into the BIOS, and turn off only the trackpad. Leave the
pointing (red button) on.
Then boot up into linux, and BEFORE you login in, see if the trackpad
responds to the touch.
On my X250, it
FWIW, I have this problem with the middle trackpoint button on a T460s.
hauke ~ uname -a
Linux tbort 4.4.0-22-generic #39-Ubuntu SMP Thu May 5 16:53:32 UTC 2016 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Here's an excerpt from sudo evtest /dev/input/event6:
Event: time 1464031476.627418, type 1
In comment #34 you state:
"This leads one to believe there is a user space component to this that stopped
allowing 4.5-rc3+ to work for you."
I had not changed anything that would account for this, other than responding
to your request for a new kernel.
This activity is described in my comment
$ usb-devices
T: Bus=01 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#= 1 Spd=480 MxCh= 3
D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=09(hub ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0002 Rev=04.04
S: Manufacturer=Linux 4.4.0-21-generic ehci_hcd
S: Product=EHCI Host Controller
S: SerialNumber=:00:1d.0
C:
Jont Allen, in the future, it would be most helpful if you just answer
the question as asked, versus constantly adding way more detail about
things not requested about. This prevents making everyone having to read
a novel instead of just having the question answered quickly.
Despite this,
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in message #34 you requested that In install 4.6-rc4
In message #36 I discussed 4.6-rc5, which did not resolve the issue.
in message #34 based on your request, I installed rc4, which did not resolve
the issue.
in message #17 I used 4.5-rc3 (NOT 4.6), and it did resolve the issue.
in message #21 I
Jont Allen, I'm inquiring to 4.6-rc3, where this was previously reported
to not reproduce the issue. Please speak to that, and not other kernel
versions.
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Status: Confirmed => Incomplete
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In note #34 you specifically requested that I install 4.6-rc4, but I installed
the latest rc5.
Now I just installed 4.6-rc4
rebooted rc4, and indeed nothing is different:
The bug with the left mouse button sticking is still present.
Jont Allen
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Chris,
You asked that I install rc3 or latest, so I installed the latest 4.6-rc5 (not
rc3).
There are no manual configs, edits, etc.
Using rc5, the left mouse click bug is still present. The latest kernel
did not fix it.
Furthermore,
I just swapped my X250 with my wife's X250 (I swapped hard
Jont Allen, to clarify, if you have a default install (no manual
configuration edits, etc.) and use mainline kernel 4.5-rc3, is the issue
not reproducible?
** Tags removed: kernel-fixed-upstream needs-reverse-bisect
** Tags added: kernel-bug-exists-upstream kernel-bug-exists-upstream-4.6-rc5
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Status of left mouse bug sticking on X250:
I am trying to find a way to put my X250 back in service, to replace the
X220i that I fell back to given the serious nature of the LMSB (LMBS =
"Left mouse button sticking")
1) By switching to a logitech USB mouse I am able to work on the
machine.
2) I
I just installed the latest kernel on the X250
linux-image-4.6.0-040600rc5-generic_4.6.0-040600rc5.201604242031_amd64.deb
I then rebooted into this kernel.
Nothng has changed regarding the bug with the left mouse button.
I then ran the "Software Updater" and installed the latest packages.
Then I
Status of X250 bug:
In comment #29 above, I mentioend that following the install of the latest
kernel the
LMBS = "Left mouse button sticking"
bug remained. But unfortunately the working kernel then stopped working,
leaving me with not recourse but to abandon
the machine. The X250 is not usable
Jont Allen, remaining focused on the scope of this report (X250), could
you please test the latest mainline kernel (4.6-rc4) and advise to the
results?
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Here is a summary of the two commands from comment #32 (above) for the
X250.
1) The driver is different between the X201 and the X250
1.8.2-1ubuntu1 <-- X201 (Working)
1.8.2-1ubuntu3 <-- X250 (Not working)
2) For the X201 the apt-cache results different (none installed), while for the
X250
Maybe I am missing something here but on my X201 these two reports seem to be
out of sync.
One command says 1.8.2-1 while the other reports 1.8.1-1
This X201 does not have the left-button-sticking bug.
$ apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
xserver-xorg-input-synaptics:
Installed:
This is on the working X201 Thinkpad
dpkg -l|grep synaptics
ii xserver-xorg-input-synaptics-lts-utopic 1.8.1-1ubuntu1~trusty1 amd64
Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org server
I'll try the same on the X250 later today
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Hi Chris,
I upgraded my X250 to Ubuntu 16.04 Beta 2, and the mouse sticking bug remains.
Here are the steps that I took, for clarity:
1) I cloned my hard drive using a USB appliance and the dd command
2) I then put the cloned hard drive in an older Lenovo X201 ThinkPad
The X201 is the system I
Quote from the launchpad answer section:
Dear Chris,
I did what you requested, to upgrade to 4.6.0-rc2
Following that, the left-mouse button remained, but worse it also
returned when I boot 4.5-rc3,
which had been working up to this point, as I described in y report # 21.
See comment 12 in
Jont Allen, with the options in the BIOS enabled, could you please test
the latest mainline kernel (4.6-rc2) and advise to the results?
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** Tags added: latest-bios-1.21
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Nothing seems to have changed since my new BIOS has been installed.
Report 21 stands, unchanged.
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I have updated my bios to 1.21.
sudo dmidecode -s bios-version && sudo dmidecode -s bios-release-date
N10ET42W (1.21 )
02/26/2016
So this shows that 1.21 is presently installed
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I found the latest BIOS is 1.21
http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds102289
I will upgrade my computer, and then report back on the status.
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jba@near:~$ sudo dmidecode -s bios-version && sudo dmidecode -s bios-
release-date
N10ET38W (1.17 )
08/20/2015
I manually verified that my present BIOS on the X250 is 1.17 (reboot
with F1).
Please, what is the next step?
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jba@near:~$ sudo dmidecode -s bios-version && sudo dmidecode -s bios-
release-date
N10ET38W (1.17 )
08/20/2015
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Jont Allen, could you please provide the output of the following terminal
command (not perform an apport-collect):
sudo dmidecode -s bios-version && sudo dmidecode -s bios-release-date
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A lot has happened since I last checked in. Here is a quick Exec
Summary:
I was running kernel 4.5-rc3 and everything was great. Then sometime around Feb
3, 2016 (I dont know the exact date),
following an standard upgrade from Ubuntu, the old symptoms (left mouse button
sticking) returned.
Jont Allen, the next step is to fully reverse commit bisect from kernel
4.2 to 4.5-rc3 in order to identify the last bad commit, followed
immediately by the first good one. Once this good commit has been
identified, it may be reviewed for backporting. Could you please do this
following
Final report:
1) I have removed my hacks to the mouse config setup and rebooted several
kernels. The kernel used by 15.04
is buggy and does not properly support
MatchProduct "PS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
and
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "0"
The buttons work properly with earlier kernels
Pending results of
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1506817/comments/17
.
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Update:
As requested in comment # 11, I have downloaded the latest kernel and installed
it on my X250.
The version I have installed is
uname -a
Linux near 4.5.0-040500rc3-generic #201602071930 SMP Mon Feb 8 00:34:43 UTC
2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
There was no issue downloading this
Christopher,
Here is an important update:
When you sent this email on Jan 21, my X250 was back in Memphis being
repaired (A problem with the screen blanking off, randomly). Thus I
couldn't test anything at that time.
I now have the X250 back in my hands and the screen problems is fixed.
I just looked at that file:
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/90-evdev.conf
and it turns out, I comment out every line.
I was wondering the same thing you are.
So step 2 is NOT necessary.
While the file exists, it contains comment lines only,
so (I suspect) it could be deleted with no impact.
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Jont Allen, could you please advise to the results of
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1506817/comments/11
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Jont Allen, to clarify, for your WORKAROUND do you only need to perform:
1) /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.conf
Add to this file
options psmouse proto=imps
or do you have to do 2) also?
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Hi,
I now have a "fix."
Summary:
The synaptics drive (provided by 15.04 kernel) seems to be broken. I have
replaced it with the stock driver, and now the problems is gone.
While this may not be a fix for everyone, but its a great fix for me. I'm now
able to use the x250, and the mouse is
Is this piece of information relevent to my problem?
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X250#Mouse
Mouse
The touchpad and TrackPoint work out of the box, but the physical buttons for
the trackpoint do not. You will need to install xf86-input-synaptics.
Note: The most recent
Dear Christopher,
I have now upgraded my X250 bios to version 1.17. I downloaded the bios from
Lenovo
NIOET38W (1.17)
and installed it on my X250.
I then verified the the old bios (1.15) had been upgraded to 1.17.
I did this by booting into the bios, and checking the version number.
I then
Jont Allen, could you please test the latest upstream kernel available
from the very top line at the top of the page from
http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=N;O=D (the release
names are irrelevant for testing, and please do not test the daily
folder)? Install instructions are
Thank you Christopher
Will do the BIOS update ASAP, but it may take a few days. My schedule is
tight at the moment.
I'll get back to you on the outcome.
Thank you,
Jont Allen
On 10/20/2015 09:53 PM, Christopher M. Penalver wrote:
> Jont Allen, thank you for reporting this and helping make Ubuntu
Jont Allen, thank you for reporting this and helping make Ubuntu better.
As per http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-
netbooks/thinkpad-x-series-laptops/thinkpad-x250 an update to your
computer's buggy and outdated BIOS is available (1.17). If you update to
this following
Target this bug to the kernel, as from bug 1430846, it's reported that
the clickpad works with Vivid kernel on X250.
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Status: New
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I upgraded 15.05 with all the latest patches as of Oct 16, 2015.
The left-mouse button bug is not fixed.
apt-show-versions xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
xserver-xorg-input-synaptics:amd64/vivid 1.8.1-1ubuntu1 uptodate
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