Nautilus seems to remember where it last placed the icon for some
volumes. When a file (or another volume) already sits at that spot,
there's an overlap. This, however, does not seem to happen for all
volumes.
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I've built nautilus with Bill's patch in my ppa, totally unsafe to test,
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This bug annoyed me too, so I created a patch and discussed it on the
Nautilus mailing list. I have posted the patch at the Nautilus Bugzilla:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=601469
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Wait a moment, this never is going to be solved?
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I think that this bug isn't such a big issue, but that bug #364001,
should be addressed, as in comment #66.
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This desktop bug has been around for too long; I would not consider it
low priority. Here's a pic of Windows XP's desktop options; you can have
overlapped icons or icons aligned to a grid.
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Just to elaborate on the pic above, when Align to Grid is checked, you
can't overlap icons by dragging one over another. This makes it
different from Keep Aligned in Nautilus.
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I've reported that desktop icons are placed by _default_ on top of one another.
I claim that this is one bug, and the fact that users are allowed to overlap
their icons is a separate one.
That bug has been marked as a duplicate
Definitely a usability bug, even if it is small. If it takes a user an
extra 5 seconds or minute to find something on their desktop then I
think it's definitely something that needs to be addressed. It's a shame
that after three years and seven duplicate bugs it still hasn't been
addressed.
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If I get accepted for Google Summer of Code and Ubuntu oversees, I'd
like to get a mentor to tackle this job.
Go go year-one CS students!
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Miles and Wladston, complaining about economics in a bug report is
counterproductive and impolite. if you want a programmer or OS vendor to
fix a particular bug, please contact them directly. If you have
suggestions on how to improve the Ubuntu bug-tracking process in
general, try the ubuntu-qa
Once again, I'm amazed how problems can be discussed for over 3 years
with several ideas and propositions without leading to an improvement or
even a solution. ... because there is always the 1 single user (type) or
edge case which could possibly lead to loss of some freedom and
individuality.
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I gave up filing bugs against Gnome years ago for this very reason. I
have much older bugs than this that have been mothballed. Because there
are so fewdevelopers who are writing the gnome code, they are always
overworked and thier priorities are determined by personal interests or
thier
Miles, same here. Filling bugs really doesn't count at all. They should
discourage new users to do so, it only adds frustration ...
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This bug has affected me ever since I started using ubuntu beginning
with 7.04. When drives get mounted, or a cd is inserted, the icon more
often than not, gets placed on top of an existing icon. Not a deal
breaker, but annoying.
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I would say make a variable grid if people would like to keep variable
sized icons, meaning make a grid that is 32x32, 48x48, 64x64, 128x128
and then the default sorta-grid that Nautilus has right now...
That's how KDE, XFCE, Windows 3.1 to 7, OS X all have it as Pelládi
Gábor said.
I know this
Of course, I completely agree that this is an important usability bug,
or I would not have filed it years ago. I would love to see it fixed
sometime. Let me know if you need more ideas about possible fix
implementations.
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i couldn't believe this bug is almost 3 years old, they have low
resources, i agree, they have some major things to fix i agree, but dude
come on, this bug was posted and acknowledged more than three years
back, very frustrating.
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those comments are not very useful, it's not really an easy code nor
clear what the behaviour should be on the grib when you try to overlap
icons, should text be able to slightly overlap and if not why not?
should the cursor jump when you try to dnd an icon on an another one or
should it move it?
Could the design come with recommendation about what should happen when
you dnd an icon near of an another one for example?
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Excuse me if the previous comment was meant to be directed towards
someone specifically, but since it sounds general I'll attempt to answer
it.
When an icon is dragged and dropped, the first thing that needs to be
checked is whether or not the cursor was directly over another icon. If
it was, the
having a grid with lines and columns is easy when you have a standard
geometry for icons but if those can be scaled randomly how would that
work exactly?
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We could also try to abandon any idea of a grid and consider each icon
as a separate square. If another square is placed on top of it, that
square will instead be placed at the bottom corner of the square it was
placed on top of. If there isn't any room at the bottom (mind Feynman),
place the
Maybe disabling differently-scaled icons is the first step to improving
the Desktop's usability. If icons are scalable, but all scale to the
same degree, we can always draw a uniform grid to align them to.
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There is already a preference in GNOME that that toggles between icons can be
placed everywhere, and icons are snapped to a grid. The size of the grid is
hardcoded in the source to a small value as a #define, and the grid width is
greater than the height.
What the supporters of this bug propose
Come on, you have to know the proposed solution, look at KDE, XFCE,
Windows 3.1 to 7, OS X, all have this option.
the microsoft os have a fixed icon geometry consitent over the desktop
though no?
I'm not against the option I just say we need a clear definition of the
behaviour we want, ie how
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when you can't draw a static grid there
Why not? Why can't we have a static grid in keep aligned mode? I say
that we should have a static grid in keep aligned mode.
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Why not? Why can't we have a static grid in keep aligned mode? I say
that we should have a static grid in keep aligned mode.
because you can have variable icon geometry
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for me this is as simple as
1. place the draged icon where it was dropped
2. if there is already one or more icons that ocupy the space that will be
required by the dragged icon, make space on the surrounding of the final
dragged file (moving all the icons on the area if required) to acomodate
because you can have variable icon geometry
Then disable variable icon geometry in keep aligned mode, for the
better good.
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Technically, in nautilus-icon-container.c, I would like to change
#define SNAP_SIZE_X 78
#define SNAP_SIZE_Y 20
to
#define SNAP_SIZE_X 128
#define SNAP_SIZE_Y 128
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Pelladi, that wouldn't correct the problem of having icons at the exact
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to be placed in the exact same spot should solve the problem.
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I would like this fixed grid layout to include setting all icons to a
fixed width and height (there could be a small, medium and large
setting, or there could be a slider that allows a flexible selection of
what this consistent icon size would be). Using the fixed grid layout
would not require
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but if ms windows does it, what is the problem in here?
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If that's true Sebastian, about nautilus having a grid, then what I
think would be a suitable workaround for this bug is an option that not
just aligns to a grid when clicked, but forces icons to persistently be
aligned to a grid, thus forcing new volumes to not overlap or new
folders to be hidden
yes but only when Keep Aligned is checked
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This issue was the first bug I noticed with Ubuntu when I started
using it over a year ago. Desktop icon placement and grid manipulation
is not a low priority issue. Newer users (and many veterans) get a lot
of value out of having desktop icons to represent work-in-
progress...otherwise, why
the bug settings are correct, the issue is only a cosmetic one and
nautilus has a grid, you can select the option to align on the grid in
the menu and see how it's working. the bug is read but the ubuntu
desktop team ressources are limited and ubuntu is not writting this
software so you should
It is clear that the concept of a desktop grid is an idea that many users want
and are familiar with. Every major desktop environment defaults to that. And it
shouldn't be hard to implement, as nautilus file manager already organizes
items in a grid.
There is no use case when a user wants to
small, but really obvious bugs like these ruin the reputation of the
rest of ubuntu. the first things people will notice when using ubuntu
should work perfectly, and it should be the top priority to have them
work perfectly.
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disappointed...still not fixed in intrepid!!! what the hell?!
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look, i dont know what those gnome developers are smoking down there,
but i want some. just look at my attached screenshot. nobody WANTS their
icons to overlap like that, okay? thats just disgusting! your computer
should be automatically organized neatly so that you can focus and find
and do
...and, when i insert a dvd, some flash drives, and an sd card, they
should all NOT be in the exact same place on the screen! x_x
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i agree with Jessie Lawrence it is true, it gives ubuntu a bad name, i
am using hardy heron 8.04.1 and this problem persist, please fix it, I
observed the same problem when I sticked two removable media (a usb hdd
and a usb-stick) into the usb ports and when I mount my windows xp
partition, Ubuntu
look i dont really care how but i just want the gnome dudes to remake
the way desktop icons are placed on the desktop, and soon (like no later
than gnome 2.26). really obvious bugs like these give linux a bad name.
im using 8.04
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This would probably need to involve the metafiles. I am guessing if
somehow there is a way of listening for changes on the users'
file://.../Desktop.xml file see what the changes are and if it is newly
added then set a new position for the item. Followed by sending a
notification to Nautilus.
I'm not sure if it's related, but I can't get desktop icons in 8.04 x64
(with default of 2 workspaces) to stick in a certain position between
logins. My 4 NTFS drive icons (auto-mounted) are lined up horizontally
in bottom right hand corner on logout. Next login, 2 of them have moved
to upper
There is also a Brainstorm idea related to this...as of July, 2008 it
has over 300 votes. Come on, lets get this fixed!
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Forgot URL:http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/3272/
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Just out of curiosity (since I don't expect this will get fixed ever),
does setting this to Triaged mean that it will be ignored by
developers for the next release, or does it have some other
significance?
Thanks very much,
Miles
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No, it basically means that it is a genuine bug and has all the
information necessary for it to be looked at by a developer. It is not
being ignored by developers. Also note that the priority is set low ('A
cosmetic/usability issue that does not limit the functionality of an
application'). The
I was just browsing the internet to find a fix to wrap long text strings under
icons.
I completely agree with sambehera, the long strings under icons takes a lot of
space on the desktop and it also looks very ugly,
how hard can it be to fix this, seriously. Things like this make people revert
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This happens to me a lot when adding removable media and/or w/
scripts|programs creating files in ~/Desktop. Here's a snip of a screen
shot:
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What a pity, this bug is still present in hardy!
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What a pity, this bug is still present in hardy!
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i agree with Miles Lane about the automatic text wrapping for large
files in nautilus if this was a bug only in the nautilus file
browser, it would be bearable because one can always switch views... on
the desktop however if i have a large file
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Upstream bug on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=313563
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I can't believe I read that: is there any reason to prevent users to
manually make their files overlap if they want too?
YES! You should prevent people from doing so; It's extremely ugly and
unprofessional. Xubuntu and Windows XP both have invisible grids that
icons snap to. Say if the grid has
I made a comment on this in the Ubuntu Forums on October 26, 2006, here:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=284919. I've attached the
screenshot that accompanied my thread.
I also made another comment on March 5th, 2007, when I found the problem
not only in 6.06 and 6.10 but also 7.04 (herd
Why should the software forces you to use a determined grid rather than
any location you want? You can move the icons in a way they don't
overlap, that's easy, just dnd them until they look ok to you. What is a
bug is when nautilus makes icons automatically placed overlap or doesn't
wrap the text
Hello Brett,
DId you read my earlier comment on this bug report?
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/40872/comments/6
I think I addressed all the issues you raised. I'd add one feature possibility
to my earlier comments. That is, it would be great (since so many people seem
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Why should the software forces you to use a determined grid rather than
any location you want? You can move the icons in a way they don't
overlap, that's easy, just dnd them until they look ok to you. What is a
bug is when nautilus makes
I can confirm this for:
GNOME nautilus 2.18.1 (current 7.04 package) and,
Gnome nautilus 2.14.3 (current 6.06 package)
That first screenshot I took was 6.06
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/40872/comments/9).
The second screenshot I took was 7.04
Yes Miles, sorry, I did read your comment, but only after I posted mine.
Ijust got excited that I the new interface is less convoluted than the
last, so I finally figured out how to post a comment! You articulated
your agrument better as well.
I feel that overlapping text is amateur and ugly (see
Brett wrote:
It happened when I was
install a fresh copy of Kubuntu Dapper on my cousin's computer.
Hmm. This bug report is specific to Gnome. Kubuntu is using KDE, so
if the problem also shows up there, you need to open a new bug report.
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Kubuntu.
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Thanks for your bug. What do you think that nautilus should do? Prevent
you to move your icons where you want because the text overlap? The
automatic placement bug is known (and dapper and edgy have some fix for
it), but is there any reason to prevent users to manually make their
files overlap if
I proposed a approach to simplifying and solving the desktop icon layout
issue about two or three years ago in the gnome.org bugzilla database,
but my proposal was ignored. My belief is that Nautilus should perform
icon title truncation like that which is done by Windows. So, for
example One Two
I observed a similar problem when I sticked two removable media (a usb hdd and
a usb-stick) into the usb ports.
Ubuntu overlapped them in a very ugly way.
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