So in the *ahem* light of this declaration, should we file bugs for
applications that do not consistently follow the close goes on the
left style within closable UI elements like tabs - for instance,
Nautilus (both in the sidebar and the file manager tabs) and Firefox?
Shouldn't these apps be
Moving everything to the left opens up the space on the right nicely, and
I would like to experiment in 10.10 with some innovative options
there.
Then the best solution would be to introduce the right/left change when
you have implemented that technology. That way, the user can weigh the
Unlike many here, I don't have a huge issue with moving the window
controls to the left side -- like many, I was relieved that the change
is planned only for the light themes, although all other themes are
currently broken.
However, even given that, the control order is odd. Again, unlike many
It's nice to get some comeback on this, but we still don't understand
the reasoning behind the decision. If there is stuff coming in 10.10
that might necessitate moving the buttons, and you can't tell what they
are - fair enough, but why not make the change in 10.10!
The usability _is_ impaired
** Description changed:
Please centre the window title like in previous Human theme, and also
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Workaround
To revert to old layout, enter in terminal:
$
Moving everything to the left opens up the space on the right nicely,
and I would like to experiment in 10.10 with some innovative options
there. It's much easier to do that if we make this change now.
It'd have been nice if this comment had been made some time ago,
together with a deep reasoning
Non-troll comment for sabdfl or the canonical design team. As a Lucid
tester, how will you get data on me as a single user changing back to
the more sane (imo) right side default? Seriously, is there a button
that says, Send button position gconf data to canonical? I'll click it
if there is one,
I hate the new theme, I hate the new GDM, I hate half baked solutions
for the distro. Canonical is being too edgy on releases, that's the
other extreme to debian (lagging a lot on releases for stability).
I'm migrating to another distribution. This bug for me is closed.
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I dont't think the new button order is a good choice, it's the worst think the
dx team could do cause of the things named above.
But I would understand if Canonical wouldn't change the buttons back, as the
company sponsoring Ubuntu Canonical has every right to do so.
But there is one thing I
It's taken two years and 116 comments here
(https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/metacity/+bug/160311) to make
absolutely no progress whatsoever. I doubt we'll be seeing this LTS
with buttons on the right. Maybe the next LTS.
General usability in Ubuntu is pretty low and I think it's down to a
If buttons remain on the left, we have to change a lot of community
themes since their title bar is messed up now (title no longer centered)
see screenshot. Is there a bug for this already or should I file a new
one? It would definitely depend on this bug.
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If we're really going to run into a left/right schism, then this bug
should be worth looking at: bug 533758.
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** Description changed:
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+ Please centre the window title like in previous Human theme, and also
+ re-order the window controls in classic order, positioned on the right
+ side (menu - title - minimize, maximize close).
- Please centre window title like in
This bug affects me as well. The window controls should be on the right
side and in the standard order of minimize, maximize, close for the
final release of Lucid. At the very least, please make this
configurable. If someone actually wants the controls on the left side,
they can make this
This is also annoying for x automation scripts, as well as being a design issue.
Was there any consideration for users with accessibility needs during this
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Assuming (and I think it's true) that the majority of Ubuntu users'
native language is written from left to right, it is also important to
notice that both human eyes and screen readers will want to first read
the title of a window, and only after see buttons which yield no
information at all
It's funny how whenever there is bad press (and the net is full of hate
now, because of this decision), they say file bugs, participate in the
community.
And there's the stonewalling.
I really feel like Canonical is just giving us the finger here.
The success of Ubuntu was always about the
This is a terrible change. I don't want to go from Ubuntu just because
of border buttons! Please, make it an option!
And why is this bug about light themes? This change affects ALL themes!
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I really feel like Canonical is just giving us the finger here.
Mark I want to warn you
R u kidding? Hopefully, it's a minority voicing up their complains in an
unfriendly and with a self-centred vision. Nevertheless, it is
undermining. If I was Mark, I would give the finger, and go on a island
In a school environment, there are a large number of users, both
students and mainly older staff, who have just recently learned to
consistently locate the power button and shut down the machine from
within the operating system. My concern is in providing support for
transitioning these users
I've had those buttons at the same place for about twenty years, and
I've used them a large amount of times almost every day during these
years. It's incomprehensible to me that someone could consider this a
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left or right?
POINT:
Who cares what your use to. Tradition isn't correct because people have been
using it longer.
Left is great and is perfect for the desktop environment and is very easy to
navigate since we read from left to right we would start from the left. The
buttons start from the
Let's not compare it to mac windows or any other os lets just look at
what is faster for a user with no bias involved.
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Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen-I have to disagree with you i think its is going in a
positive direction the icons and is improving bit by bit.
The new brand is amazing and your criticism sounds more like insults then
actual criticism.
You started off with a few good points and then just started to insult
1) This is not an invalid bug.
2) It is a serious problem that will cost Ubuntu users. It is an unwelcome
change.
3) Users should never have to resort to gconftool for something like this.
4) It concerns me that Ubuntu has been restricting user customization in the
last few releases (removal of
@tsm124, the new brand is great - and that's not what we're talking
about here. The problem is the button location and layout.
(btw, you'd better not be using tsm as TrueSongMedia... ;) )
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@michael, During karmic release cycle I installed karmic beta on my friends
laptop, he was inspired by ubuntu that its free, how the company afford
something like an OS without getting any money from the user. When I ran the
live session he did not notice but when the installation completed and I
@Omer,
I really have to disagree. There are better ways to look different than
to move a key user element. This was a foolish foolish move.
Ubuntu has done well for the last several years. This latest move is
likely to push users back to Windows or to a different Linux distro.
While I agree
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For those wanting to change the button layout in 10.04, here's a way to
do it
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1429254
Let's hope the developers get smart and change it back before the final
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With these settings I had the problem for 4 hours and the next day when
I started ubuntu I had no problem with the new controls position rather
things look better as there nothing on the top right side. People
complain without even testing the change for a few hours. (Even when a
person wears new
Omer, I do not disagree with your statement and I have grown used to the
new position/ordering myself. However, any change to habits must have a
reasoning behind it.
When NotifyOSD was introduced, people had to change some habits, but all
the usability arguments and future roadmaps were/are
I agree with Conscious User whole heartedly on the reasoning front.
So far many people have provided numerous valid arguments re usability
in the blogs and forums and in this bug report against making this
change - breaking themes, breaking with another applications look and
feel that don't use
if the new theme brougth something new i wouldnt complain.
the big problem for me is the new order. i can change side as i want to bit the
order bothers me...
i was looking forward to something new and exiting. i was imagining something
like the maximize icon on top of the minimize icon, and
A lot of people use these controls to identify the right edge of the
active window. This is significant when there is more then one window
overlapping each other on the display. The same issue is there with the
window title. When it is centered (as in human) one can know that the
window is
It would be nice to have a clear decision, now, to revert or not on
this design change... and the reason for the try, just for users's
respect...
So the ones that do not agree could stop talking to walls here and start
using their time to consider alternatives.
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half of the dupe reports talk about the controls being on the left side
instead of the usual right. This bug report says nothing of that in the
title or description. Are the same principles applied to this one as
well? If not, we need to separate them.
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- Please centre window title like in human theme and also order window controls
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+ Please centre window title like in human theme and also order window
+ controls in classic order on the
Change is always good , *if* there is a good reason to change. - this
is emphatically false. Change is by default bad, even if there are good
reasons for it. There must be *excellent* reasons for change, not merely
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Where is the discussion about pros/cons? Where can we learn what caused
that change and why should we be happy about it? When will Ubuntu team
stop dropping such bombs just before the freezes? (why does it remind me
of the update notification fiasco?)
Maybe some person who is responsible for the
Quote of the blog Stanislaw Pitucha mentioned:
Why the new windows control order is wrong:
• Because the window title isn’t centered, the window controls being placed
directly in front of it put it in a weird indented position
• The “slightly off left” location is inconsistent with Nautilus,
A related (but separate) bug is the fact that gnome-appearance-
properties shows the window controls on the right, regardless of the
settings in the gconf key. By default, this would make the Appearance
utility inconsistent with the look of windows on Ubuntu, unless this
change is reverted. See
I'd like to add another problem with moving the default buttons to the
upper left.
In gconf-editor, the setting /apps/metacity/general/button_layout
Unset position restores the buttons to the upper right. Without
commenting on the location decision, the Unset command should restore
the button
More people want it on the right by default than at the left, change it
back! doing this hours before the interface freeze is ridiculous!
Anything but the buttons! Release Mangers please fix!
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I support moving the controls back to the position where users expect
them rather than change by fiat.
Just think how much consensus cred canonical could get back by listening
to the community on this one. It would be the perfect counterexample for
years against accusations of undemocratic
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If it was possible I would say that for Lucid buttons on right side with
option to move them on Left side from appearance menu, for Lucid+1
buttons on left with option to move on left side and lucid+2 only left
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Why move them at all, whether it be in Lucid, Lucid+1 or Lucid+5?
Where's the rationale?
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This was meant as a design idea... not a good one, but an iadea that
passed as it is before even posting it BrainStrorm for consideration.
http://blog.daviey.com/blogroll/anything-but-the-buttons.html
It should be reverted by RC... if not this could end bad, very bad for
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I think that bug #532633 it's related but not a duplicate. Bug #532633
wants to revert the order of the buttons when this bug is for the
buttons place, not it's order. Anyway, they should fix both problems by
RC, they are critical usability BUGs.
This bug is not in the light-theme nor Metacity...
Disadvantages:
-Aesthetically unpleasing: Windows button, application menu and panel menu all
stacked.
-Increase the chance of closing the window accidentally.
-Breaking consistency of all Ubuntu releases, most Linux distros and window's
managers.
-Most people don't like it
-Come on!!! IT'S A
The command gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout
--type string menu:minimize,maximize,close (as referred to in both the
title the bug description) reverts the button order *and* the position
to how it was before the update changed it. This bug report is referring
to both of
As long as the settings of the buttons can be changed in an easy manner
through the gconf-editor, this bug is closed for me.
The layout change is at the discretion of Canonical after all. We, end
users, can revert it if we don't get by.
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Why should the user have to go through gconf-editor to change this?
Average user doesn't know about gconf-editor, and certainly doesn't know
what key to modify.
I'm not opposed to this kind of change, but it should be changable from
the Settings|Appearance panel, which is the natural place for
Another discution takes directly place here, with design chief:
http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=281
But if this one is not considered a true bug (in a sense that's right:
This is not a software error... but a design error that will cause users
errors and loss of productivity: Same result in a
I agree with James Schriver, once one get used to the new position of
the buttons, he/she can reach them in less time because top-left corner
is almost always nearer the content of the window than the top-right
corner.
This, though, doesn't explain the choise to set the new position of the
I disagree. I am a right hander, the pointer usually stands-by on the
right part of the screen, as such | under_bar | square | cross buttons
on the right of the windows = best usability common standard
This is obviously a Mac complex, and speaking for myself Mac s...s at
100% with their pedantic
Be very careful with this kind of change: A few hours in a virtual
machine doing almost nothing but testing may not be appropriate.
To illustrate this, I still sometimes close a window with intend to
maximise or minimize it: The reason is these max/min controls were on
the right in windows 3.x
This poll and discussion also favours no change with buttons on the
right.
Lucid testing forum.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1422422
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Good to hear that other themes won't be affected by this change for Lucid.
Still seems a totally defunct change which is not meeting support, however.
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Try to assign this to canonical desktop... Because current answers
really look like bad jokes!
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Assignee: Canonical Desktop Team
assignee None
Yann, please do not assign bugs to someone unless you are responsible
for their tasking. You can assign a bug to yourself, or someone who
works for you, or a team or person in a team that you lead in Ubuntu.
But assigning a bug to someone who is NOT in that list is a bit like me
the choice there is a design decision, it's worth noting though that the
order should apply only to light themes, it doesn't now but the issue
will be fixed for lucid, the title not being centered is also a
different issue than the order and has a different bug.
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That's nice to learn issue will be fixed before release and have been
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Regards
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The issue is not a bug, it's a difference of opinion on what is the best
result. We may change it, or we may hold it.
Mark
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How to we find out which is the best option? (My opinion is clear and
the opinion of the community is, as far as I see, mostly negative. But
if there is a good reason for choosing this button order (the dx-team
will have made some tests before) and a possibility to fix this mess
with XMPP and
We'll consider it carefully, in the light of all of that information,
and take a decision.
Mark
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Thanks!
Matthias
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XMPP and Google Chrome? There are tens of applications, that do not use
metacity. This will be tragedy, I suppose...
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I just named a few, prominent applications.
Is it planned to change the button layout in KDE, Xfce, LXDE and all other
desktops too? Cause if not, there will be not only an inconsistency between
Ubuntu and all other distributions and desktops, but also between the
different Ubuntu derivatives.
I'm not in favor of the new position. But right now, the community opinion/poll
is a moot point.
Its like asking Americans or British who have switched locales : “do you like
driving on the right or the left side of the road?” ;-)
Stating it as a huge negative for the change is unfair.[OTOH,
I for one don't see any possible good reason for this change (unless
someone who was in charge of this change cares to explain), but in my
opinion this is just something done for branding: OSX has the buttons on
the left, Windows on the right, Ubuntu on the left but with maximize and
minimize
Affected applications:
- Chrome/Chromium
- XMPP
What is this? These apps are not affected, they just use their own window
decorators, identical with these in various desktop environments(GNOME, KDE.
XFCE...), except Ubuntu. Why do they have to change their own window
decorators, only because in
This has affected all applications on my ubuntu machine. No mater what
theme I use. I used the work around and it put the buttons back to the
right side but they are in wrong order. I am forever trying to maximize
my window hitting the button I am used to hitting and the window
disappears. I
It should be mentioned that the discussion would be much more productive
if there was actually an official stance, a wiki documentation, a blog
post, or *anything* explaining the reasons for the change.
This was made for NotifyOSD, for the MessagingMenu and for most of the
non-trivial changes
@Matthias
I certainly hope they switch things back to normal. It would be way too
much of a hassle to switch every other Ubuntu-based OS just because of
what they think is a good design. I feel bad for the Lucid users using
Chrome...
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This seems to be a real usability problem. And it's an LTS, OMG!
I was reading a blog post, http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/update-on-new-
ubuntu-themes-dark-and.html - and I really hope he is right and the
default will not change. Too many problems. :(
Please try to fundamentally change the UI
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I'm not sure if this has been noted but it seems there is also a real
bug here (not just difference of opinion) in that every time light-
themes is updated it reverts the user's setting in gconf. So even if you
do change the button order back as soon as light-themes updates it will
change it back.
As the final decision is not made, maybe this little pool could help ;o)
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/poll-do-you-want-ubuntu-window-controls.html
At time of writing, 79% to keep current non Apple standard...
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i've grown quite find of the changes and from a usabilty standpoint it
seems to be very efficient, absent the muscle memory. I am not nor was
a Mac user so this change was absolutely foreign to me. After two days,
instinctively I've noticed my mouse pointer idles cocnsistently just
under the
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Hi,
I know this doesn't solve the problem, but I have changed gnome-
appearence-properties to include, on Window borders tab a simple
switch for the window controls position. See branch and screenshot
attached.
Maybe this will be handy for the users wanting to change back the
position of the
Wishlist? You must be joking! Did anybody see screenshots in attachment?
(e.g. consistence_with_other_applications.png). No one distribution or
desktop environment has window controls on the left side and also no one
application for GNU/Linux, that does not use metacity(compiz). If you
like window
I run Lucid-alpha3, and the Customized Theme tab / Windows Border tab
(or page)
does not have the option Control: O right O left ?
BavarianPH,
Ubuntu forever!
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