Re: As for xfce4-mixer

2013-06-18 Thread Len Ovens
On Tue, June 18, 2013 3:56 am, Jarno Suni wrote: Hi As for automatic muting of tracks you complained about in the ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list, please see https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8291 Apparently the fix was not perfect for the original problem. I would blame the

Re: About qamix

2013-06-18 Thread Len Ovens
On Tue, June 18, 2013 3:21 am, Jarno Suni wrote: Hi I read in ubuntu-studio-devel archive that you wrote about qamix. I used qamix when it was still available in ubuntu universe repository. If there is a debian src package (even old) it may be helpful to me. Thank you for mentioning that it

Re: About qamix

2013-06-18 Thread Len Ovens
On Tue, June 18, 2013 7:48 am, Jarno Suni wrote: On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:23:50 -0700 Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: If there is a debian src package (even old) it may be helpful to me. Thank you for mentioning that it has been in Ubuntu repos. All I could find was the sourceforge

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Martin Pitt
Hey Jono, I just want to chime in with my impressions from various discussions and talks to clarify the emotional situation. FWIW, I do not have any opinion about which technology is better -- I know nothing about this stuff, just summarizing what I hear/read. Jono Bacon [2013-06-17 16:47

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Thomas Voß
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Robert Ancell robert.anc...@canonical.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: On Monday, June 17, 2013 09:52:49 PM Oliver Ries wrote: On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Scott Kitterman

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Aigars Mahinovs
On 18 June 2013 07:33, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: - What's the time line? When , if we follow along with Ubuntu, would we expect to run with XMir instead of X and when would we expect to integrate with MIR natively? Based solely on comments from this thread, as far as I

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! 2013/6/18 Steve Langasek steve.langa...@ubuntu.com: On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 05:13:33PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: I think Jonathon's post earlier today captures the core issue: On Monday, June 17, 2013 09:05:08 PM Jonathan Riddell wrote: [...] As long as Canonical declines to work

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Dmitry Shachnev
On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:28:49 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: I don't think there's anyone in the Kubuntu team with the skills to pick up on maintenance of the non-Mir display server stack [...] I think it is much easier to maintain Wayland stack in Ubuntu than port all DEs we support to Mir. As

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, On Di, 2013-06-18 at 01:34 +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: 2013/6/18 Jono Bacon j...@ubuntu.com: I fully understand if you don't want to work on this problem, and I also fully understand if the KWin maintainer is uninterested in solving this problem and would prefer to focus on Wayland,

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, On Di, 2013-06-18 at 11:16 +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: Hi! 2013/6/18 Steve Langasek steve.langa...@ubuntu.com: On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 05:13:33PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: I think Jonathon's post earlier today captures the core issue: On Monday, June 17, 2013 09:05:08 PM

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 09:00:26 AM Aigars Mahinovs wrote: On 18 June 2013 07:33, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: - What's the time line? When , if we follow along with Ubuntu, would we expect to run with XMir instead of X and when would we expect to integrate with MIR

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:40:34 AM Oliver Grawert wrote: hi, On Di, 2013-06-18 at 01:34 +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: 2013/6/18 Jono Bacon j...@ubuntu.com: I fully understand if you don't want to work on this problem, and I also fully understand if the KWin maintainer is

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, On Di, 2013-06-18 at 06:08 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 09:00:26 AM Aigars Mahinovs wrote: On 18 June 2013 07:33, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: - What's the time line? When , if we follow along with Ubuntu, would we expect to run with

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, On Di, 2013-06-18 at 12:11 +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: 2013/6/18 Oliver Grawert o...@ubuntu.com: hi, On Di, 2013-06-18 at 11:16 +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: Hi! 2013/6/18 Steve Langasek steve.langa...@ubuntu.com: On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 05:13:33PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/6/18 Oliver Grawert o...@ubuntu.com: hi, On Di, 2013-06-18 at 11:16 +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: Hi! 2013/6/18 Steve Langasek steve.langa...@ubuntu.com: On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 05:13:33PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: I think Jonathon's post earlier today captures the core issue:

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
Oliver Grawert o...@ubuntu.com wrote: hi, On Di, 2013-06-18 at 06:13 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:40:34 AM Oliver Grawert wrote: as a member of this community that goes into his 9th year with Ubuntu and who who knows most of the participants in person, i must

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Michael Hall
On 06/18/2013 08:04 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: Oliver Grawert o...@ubuntu.com wrote: hi, On Di, 2013-06-18 at 06:13 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:40:34 AM Oliver Grawert wrote: as a member of this community that goes into his 9th year with Ubuntu and who who

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 18 June 2013 02:00, Aigars Mahinovs aigar...@gmail.com wrote: Based solely on comments from this thread, as far as I understand, both Ubuntu and KDE will maintain the ability to work with X for the foreseeable timeframe, so this more of a question on which happens first - Ubuntu stopping

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 01:38:09PM +0400, Dmitry Shachnev wrote: On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:28:49 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: I don't think there's anyone in the Kubuntu team with the skills to pick up on maintenance of the non-Mir display server stack [...] I think it is much easier to

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:45:18 PM Oliver Grawert wrote: hi, On Di, 2013-06-18 at 12:11 +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: 2013/6/18 Oliver Grawert o...@ubuntu.com: hi, On Di, 2013-06-18 at 11:16 +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: Hi! 2013/6/18 Steve Langasek

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Julien Lavergne
2013/6/18 Jeremy Bicha jbi...@ubuntu.com: On 18 June 2013 02:00, Aigars Mahinovs aigar...@gmail.com wrote: Based solely on comments from this thread, as far as I understand, both Ubuntu and KDE will maintain the ability to work with X for the foreseeable timeframe, so this more of a question

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:45:18PM +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: what bothers me in this thread is the attitude more than the topic, there is an offer for communication and it is declined with a foot stomping i don't talk to you because you didn't talk to me first attitude of ten year olds ...

Re: Legacy hardware support in MIR

2013-06-18 Thread Nedas Pekorius
I think my question could fit in this topic also. How about MIR and switchable graphics like Nvidia optimus? As far as I know nouveau doesn't support discrete graphic chip. On 18 June 2013 01:02, Robert Ancell robert.anc...@canonical.com wrote: Mir uses the free drivers that X does currently

Unity APIs weekly (wk 24)

2013-06-18 Thread Thomas Strehl
Hi, short status summary of last week: Scopes - 13.04 scopes finally landed in saucy - Fighting integration issues and bugfixing to get it working on the phone - Started merging app demo scope of the phone and desktop app scope - Prepared scopes infrastructure to be able to run multiple scopes

Re: non-Unity flavours and Mir

2013-06-18 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 07:08:35PM +0400, Dmitry Shachnev wrote: Thomas said that “In the final setup, Mir will come up early on in the boot process and act as system-level compositor” — I thought that would be managed by Upstart. But if that is wrong, things are even better :) Starting early

Re: Legacy hardware support in MIR

2013-06-18 Thread Timo Aaltonen
On 18.06.2013 21:10, Nedas Pekorius wrote: I think my question could fit in this topic also. How about MIR and switchable graphics like Nvidia optimus? Should be easier to support, since the xserver is out of the picture. Proper hybrid support depends on kernel features that are about to land

first ubuntu saucy test rebuild

2013-06-18 Thread Matthias Klose
The first test rebuild of saucy salamander was started yesterday for the amd64, i386 and armhf architectures. Currently running, finished for main, universe will finish within the next ten days (armhf a bit earlier). Results can be seen at

Privacy features in Touch (cyanogenmod)?

2013-06-18 Thread Matt B .
I wish more software companies developed built-in Privacy features and user-control of app internet connections. The internet is a PUBLIC space and I don't like software companies working to put all my data there--including my local searches--while simultaneously doing nothing to bring

Re: Privacy features in Touch (cyanogenmod)?

2013-06-18 Thread Alexandre Strube
A first approach could be a one-click TOR connection on networkmanager applet. Should be an interesting project. 2013/6/18 Matt B. mttbrns...@outlook.com I wish more software companies developed built-in Privacy features and user-control of app internet connections. The internet is a PUBLIC

Re: Privacy features in Touch (cyanogenmod)?

2013-06-18 Thread J Fernyhough
On 18 June 2013 14:34, Alexandre Strube su...@surak.eti.br wrote: A first approach could be a one-click TOR connection on networkmanager applet. Should be an interesting project. This is something different to the original point Matt was making. While the ability to route through Tor is a