Re: Shall we hide the GUI for Hibernate in Natty?

2011-03-11 Thread Jan Claeys
Kees Cook schreef op ma 31-01-2011 om 13:34 [-0800]: My newer laptop supports hybrid mode, and it will come out of suspend and then hibernate when the battery is critically low after being suspended for a long time. Extremely handy. AFAIK hybrid suspend means that the OS prepares for

Re: Shall we hide the GUI for Hibernate in Natty?

2011-03-11 Thread sam tygier
On 31/01/11 19:04, Rick Spencer wrote: The reasoning for hiding Hibernate includes: 1. It doesn't work well for many users on many machines. 2. It's very slow. 3. It's not as useful because users can just suspend. 4. The difference between hibernate and suspend is confusing. 5. There is a lot

Re: Shall we hide the GUI for Hibernate in Natty?

2011-03-11 Thread Phillip Susi
On 01/31/2011 03:00 PM, Marc Deslauriers wrote: Is there any data that suggests hibernate fails more often than suspend? I was under the impression that both would be broken when laptops weren't supported properly. I was under the impression that it is the other way around. Suspend requires

Re: Shall we hide the GUI for Hibernate in Natty?

2011-03-11 Thread Kevin Hunter
At 2:40pm -0500 Mon, 31 Jan 2011, Bryce Harrington wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:04:22AM -0800, Rick Spencer wrote: Natty is currently NOT showing the Hibernate option in the list of shutdown choices. This is currently an experiment, but I thought it might be worth discussing the pros and

Re: Shall we hide the GUI for Hibernate in Natty?

2011-03-11 Thread Otto Kekäläinen
I'm in favor of removing hibernate for the reasons Rick expressed. ma, 2011-01-31 kello 11:04 -0800, Rick Spencer kirjoitti: However, Hibernate works well for some users, so this will be a painful regression[1]. Hibernate works well on my computer, however the speed of starting from zero,

Re: Shall we hide the GUI for Hibernate in Natty?

2011-03-11 Thread Benjamin Donald-Wilson
I like the idea but instead of tweaking the /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/com.ubuntu.desktop.pkla line then maybe add a GUI to show what buttons the user wants to show in the shutdown chocies. Thanks, Benny Age 12. On 01/02/2011, Rick Spencer rick.spen...@canonical.com wrote:

Re: Shall we hide the GUI for Hibernate in Natty?

2011-03-02 Thread Phillip Susi
On 01/31/2011 02:40 PM, Bryce Harrington wrote: But I agree it's so painfully slow and unreliable to be unusable in its present state. Hiding the option in the menu and declaring it officially unsupported (but making it configurable and still callable from pm-utils and so on, just no bug

Re: Shall we hide the GUI for Hibernate in Natty?

2011-03-02 Thread Phillip Susi
On 2/22/2011 11:51 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote: If a good calibration cycle is equivalent to letting the battery completely burn out, then yes, I've done that. You have to run it all the way down _from full_. Leave it charge over night, then unplug it and let it run all the way down. If you just

Re: Shall we hide the GUI for Hibernate in Natty?

2011-03-02 Thread Phillip Susi
On 2/22/2011 6:22 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote: Sounds just about as disastrous as laptops running out of battery during a suspend, actually. Which is not as serious as running out of battery while attempting to hibernate, which seems to be occurring much more often than the case of running out of

Re: Shall we hide the GUI for Hibernate in Natty?

2011-02-22 Thread Carlos Ribeiro
I'm just a lurker here, I'm just a user and I don't tend to say a lot. But remember that: 1) Not everyone uses laptops. Desktop PCs do not have a battery and losing power during a suspend is a no-no. 2) Not everyone has a long running battery. Suspend does eat a little bit of your battery

Re: Shall we hide the GUI for Hibernate in Natty?

2011-02-22 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Wednesday 23,February,2011 12:26 AM, Phillip Susi wrote: On 2/22/2011 10:44 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote: My previously mentioned point still stands though. Many people close the lid of the laptop, stick it into a bag, and start walking. Considering the I/O intensive nature of the hibernation

Re: Shall we hide the GUI for Hibernate in Natty?

2011-02-22 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Wednesday 23,February,2011 01:22 AM, Phillip Susi wrote: On 2/22/2011 11:51 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote: If a good calibration cycle is equivalent to letting the battery completely burn out, then yes, I've done that. You have to run it all the way down _from full_. Leave it charge over

Re: Shall we hide the GUI for Hibernate in Natty?

2011-02-08 Thread Chris Jones
Hi On 31/01/11 21:57, Steve Langasek wrote: If the hardware supports resuming from suspend when the battery is critically low, this Just Works with no input from Ubuntu. Then FWIW I think this is an awful idea. If my laptop is suspended, it's in my bag. Waking it up while it's in my bag and

Re: Shall we hide the GUI for Hibernate in Natty?

2011-02-08 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Thursday 03,February,2011 07:22 PM, Chris Jones wrote: Hi On 31/01/11 21:57, Steve Langasek wrote: If the hardware supports resuming from suspend when the battery is critically low, this Just Works with no input from Ubuntu. Then FWIW I think this is an awful idea. If my laptop is