Re: Default group

2012-10-19 Thread Nicolas Michel
So, nobody agree the idea of a smart sharing app'? 2012/10/18 Nicolas Michel be.nicolas.mic...@gmail.com 2012/10/18 Jordon Bedwell jor...@envygeeks.com On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:31 AM, Nicolas Michel be.nicolas.mic...@gmail.com wrote: To be honnest I never gave a try to Ubuntu One,

Re: Default group

2012-10-18 Thread Nicolas Michel
I agree that there should be something done on the UI to support ACL on Ubuntu (not like eiciel). But I really don't agree when you say that Windows is already doing it well! Honnestly, nobody never understood these pretty technical concepts of permissions (I mean usual end-users, not us that are

Re: Default group

2012-10-18 Thread Nicolas Michel
I think that the wizard should also be smart enough to asks questions related to the content to share. Example, if you want to share a video or an audio file, maybe it's best to share it via DLNA if the viewer is on the same LAN. Then it needs to ask a question like : - do you want to share the

Re: Default group

2012-10-18 Thread Vincent Ladeuil
Nicolas Michel be.nicolas.mic...@gmail.com writes: Honnestly, nobody never understood these pretty technical concepts of permissions (I mean usual end-users, not us that are talking on a dev linux distrib mailing-list). +1 snip/ To go further, I think sharing should even

Re: Default group

2012-10-18 Thread Nicolas Michel
To be honnest I never gave a try to Ubuntu One, probably for bad conservative reasons. I will try it. But I still feel that even if you're right that pushing things into the cloud make things simpler, there are still some flaws : - what if we don't have access to internet and only want to share on

Re: Default group

2012-10-18 Thread Jordon Bedwell
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:31 AM, Nicolas Michel be.nicolas.mic...@gmail.com wrote: To be honnest I never gave a try to Ubuntu One, probably for bad conservative reasons. I will try it. But I still feel that even if you're right that pushing things into the cloud make things simpler, there are

Re: Default group

2012-10-18 Thread Nicolas Michel
2012/10/18 Jordon Bedwell jor...@envygeeks.com On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:31 AM, Nicolas Michel be.nicolas.mic...@gmail.com wrote: To be honnest I never gave a try to Ubuntu One, probably for bad conservative reasons. I will try it. But I still feel that even if you're right that pushing

Default group

2012-10-17 Thread John Moser
. I suggest all users should go into group 'users' as the default group, with $HOME default to 700 and in the group 'users'. A umask of 027 or the traditional 022 is still viable: the files in $HOME are not visible because you cannot list the contents of $HOME (not readable) or change

Re: Default group

2012-10-17 Thread Jordon Bedwell
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:59 AM, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest all users should go into group 'users' as the default group, with $HOME default to 700 and in the group 'users'. A umask of 027 or the traditional 022 is still viable: the files in $HOME are not visible

Re: Default group

2012-10-17 Thread John Moser
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Jordon Bedwell jor...@envygeeks.com wrote: The problem with this is how are you going to fix permissions on bad software like Ruby Gems who do not reset permissions when packaging and uploading to the public repository (because they claim this would violate

Re: Default group

2012-10-17 Thread Marc Deslauriers
On 12-10-17 09:59 AM, John Moser wrote: I suggest all users should go into group 'users' as the default group, with $HOME default to 700 and in the group 'users'. A umask of 027 or the traditional 022 is still viable: the files in $HOME are not visible because you cannot list the contents

Re: Default group

2012-10-17 Thread Alberto Gonzalez
To modify the groups a user is in, you must have administrative access You can use gpasswd -A to delegate group administration to a non-superuser. And the main reason of User Private Group (UPG) is that makes it easy to create directories for collaboration. 2012/10/17 John Moser

Re: Default group

2012-10-17 Thread John Moser
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Marc Deslauriers marc.deslauri...@canonical.com wrote: On 12-10-17 09:59 AM, John Moser wrote: I suggest all users should go into group 'users' as the default group, with $HOME default to 700 and in the group 'users'. A umask of 027 or the traditional 022

Re: Default group

2012-10-17 Thread Nicolas Michel
' as the default group, with $HOME default to 700 and in the group 'users'. A umask of 027 or the traditional 022 is still viable: the files in $HOME are not visible because you cannot list the contents of $HOME (not readable) or change into it to access the files within (not executable). A user

Re: Default group

2012-10-17 Thread John Moser
' as the default group, with $HOME default to 700 and in the group 'users'. A umask of 027 or the traditional 022 is still viable: the files in $HOME are not visible because you cannot list the contents of $HOME (not readable) or change into it to access the files within (not executable

Re: Default group

2012-10-17 Thread John Moser
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:52 PM, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: First: that's why we need an interface that handles POSIX ACLs properly, long-overdue. It actually occurs to me that this is probably not just technically important, but important for planning purposes. That is, we can

Re: Default group

2012-10-17 Thread Matt Wheeler
It's called eiciel -- Matt Wheeler m...@funkyhat.org On 17 Oct 2012 21:15, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:52 PM, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: First: that's why we need an interface that handles POSIX ACLs properly, long-overdue. It

Re: Default group

2012-10-17 Thread Marc Deslauriers
On 12-10-17 03:52 PM, John Moser wrote: Let's first assume we have three users: jkirk ksingh wriker Now, let's say any of these wants to give any of the others access to his files in general (i.e. his $HOME). Let's for our example say jkirk wants wriker to have access. First, he

Re: Default group

2012-10-17 Thread John Moser
Doesn't look integrated into the default UI. Workable, but not quite intuitive. Things I'd prefer: - Shows the user and group ownership, instead of piling them is as just part of the ACL. Remember these have special meanings for SUID/SGID. - First three ACL entries are always Owner,

Re: Default group

2012-10-17 Thread John Moser
On 10/17/2012 05:34 PM, Marc Deslauriers wrote: On 12-10-17 03:52 PM, John Moser wrote: First, he must find the sysadmin. The sysadmin must then put wriker in group jkirk. Also, ~jkirk must be group-readable, as must any files. In a default Ubuntu installation, jkirk's files are already

Re: Default group

2012-10-17 Thread Marc Deslauriers
On 12-10-17 05:45 PM, John Moser wrote: On 10/17/2012 05:34 PM, Marc Deslauriers wrote: On 12-10-17 03:52 PM, John Moser wrote: First, he must find the sysadmin. The sysadmin must then put wriker in group jkirk. Also, ~jkirk must be group-readable, as must any files. In a default

Re: Default group

2012-10-17 Thread John Moser
On 10/17/2012 06:43 PM, Marc Deslauriers wrote: On 12-10-17 05:45 PM, John Moser wrote: On 10/17/2012 05:34 PM, Marc Deslauriers wrote: On 12-10-17 03:52 PM, John Moser wrote: First, he must find the sysadmin. The sysadmin must then put wriker in group jkirk. Also, ~jkirk must be