FW: Plane-2-only string i18nguy supplementary-test page

2017-11-13 Thread Tex via Unicode
I am the author of the supplementary-test page on i18nguy.com. The method for choosing the characters is described on the page, so isn’t a mystery. See below. I do not believe any of the characters are offensive, although context matters greatly and languages evolve, so it is possible

Re: Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread via Unicode
With over a thousand Zhuang characters, Zhuang would work, though of course would not have punctuation. Of the top of my head something like:- 톸톛昭퓨쾀쿇 톸톨퓨멒얙 컹퓨፹왙෯꽖 In romanised Zhuang:- Gou bae ranz gyoengqde gou youq ranz ndaw gwn haeux aen ranz baihlaeng miz naz In English:- I went

Re: Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread Phake Nick via Unicode
Perhaps the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_language should be considered as a way to construct an example Chinese sentence from characters that are only within Plane2? Probably coukd be understand by more people than something Cantonese too

Re: Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Philippe Verdy wrote, > ... As well the newline don't need any font, it is synthetized by renderers. It's true that fonts don't need to have glyphs mapped for control characters, but I'd hesitate to use any control character in a font's sample text field because of the field's intended use.

Re: Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
Any font would likely map the space (and probably for any CJK font the ideographic space). As well the newline don't need any font, it is synthetized by renderers. This could be used to compose some Japanese-like Aiku with some meaning... 2017-11-13 23:54 GMT+01:00 James Kass via Unicode

RE: Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread Peter Constable via Unicode
As mentioned in my initial mail, the fonts support the Basic Latin block from the BMP. Peter -Original Message- From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of James Kass via Unicode Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 2:54 PM To: Unicode list Subject:

RE: Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread Peter Constable via Unicode
I discussed this with one of my Chinese co-workers, and we came up with the following: “ 欣欤欥欦欧 橒橓橔橕橖 裫裬裭裮裯” Factors in the choice of characters were: - different radicals - for a given radical, have a sequence of consecutive characters so people get the idea it's not a sentence but just a

Re: Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Peter Constable wrote, > We don't want to add BMP characters to the ExtB fonts. So the sample text would lack punctuation. Given that the Supplementary Ideographic Plane is composed of rare and historical characters from multiple sources, I suspect that the short answer to Peter's original

RE: Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread Peter Constable via Unicode
Would a typical Chinese speaker be likely to recognize these as used in Cantonese? (I wouldn't want to have a font's sample-text string give the impression that it's a Cantonese font — unless it were specifically intended for Cantonese.) -Original Message- From: jenk...@apple.com

Re: Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
2017-11-13 21:48 GMT+01:00 James Kass : > Peter Constable wrote, > > >> May be this test page ? > >> > >> http://www.i18nguy.com/unicode/supplementary-test.html > > > > Thanks. I’d need to know _at least something_ about what the characters > > signify, though, to have a

Re: Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Peter Constable wrote, >> May be this test page ? >> >> http://www.i18nguy.com/unicode/supplementary-test.html > > Thanks. I’d need to know _at least something_ about what the characters > signify, though, to have a sense of whether there’s anything potentially > offensive. The Plane 2

Re: Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Peter Constable wrote, > We don't want to add BMP characters to the ExtB fonts. How about Plane 15 or 16, then?

Re: Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread John H. Jenkins via Unicode
Ʃ ̥ ́ Ӽ Մ ݭ ݹ ந ன ோ ௦ ௽ ఋ ల ు ూ ృ ౓ ౘ ౥ ౷ ౸ ಜ ೏ ೕ ೖ ക ര േ ൈ ൉ ൩ ൯ ർ ൾ ൿ ග ට ඲ ฉ That is an example of forty Cantonese-specific characters which are not obscene (that I'm aware of) from Extension B. For the curious, I've appended at the bottom the full list of 280 for all of Plane 2 which I was

Re: Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Peter Constable wrote, On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Peter Constable wrote: > We don't want to add BMP characters to the ExtB fonts. > > > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of James Kass > via Unicode

RE: Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread Peter Constable via Unicode
Thanks for the suggestion. Alas, the fonts don't support that block. Peter -Original Message- From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Ruland via Unicode Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 12:05 PM To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: Plane-2-only string

RE: Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread Peter Constable via Unicode
Thanks. I’d need to know _at least something_ about what the characters signify, though, to have a sense of whether there’s anything potentially offensive. Peter From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Philippe Verdy via Unicode Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 11:51

RE: Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread Peter Constable via Unicode
We don't want to add BMP characters to the ExtB fonts. Peter -Original Message- From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of James Kass via Unicode Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 11:39 AM To: Unicode list Subject: Re: Plane-2-only string A

Re: Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread Charlie Ruland via Unicode
Many of characters in the CJK Compatibility Ideographs Supplement block are quite common Chinese characters, or variants thereof. You could try and build Chinese sentences with these characters. On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 at 20:20 GMT+01:00 Peter Constable via Unicode wrote: I’m wondering if anyone

Re: Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
May be this test page ? http://www.i18nguy.com/unicode/supplementary-test.html 2017-11-13 20:38 GMT+01:00 James Kass via Unicode : > A font's sample text can be used in place of the default "The quick > brown fox..." text which is used to illustrate the typeface in >

Re: Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread James Kass via Unicode
A font's sample text can be used in place of the default "The quick brown fox..." text which is used to illustrate the typeface in applications which support that feature. One approach would be to find a non-gibberish text string using some Plane 2 characters and add the BMP glyphs to the font

Plane-2-only string

2017-11-13 Thread Peter Constable via Unicode
I’m wondering if anyone could come up with a string of 15 to 40 characters _using only plane 2 characters_ that wouldn’t be gibberish? We are considering adding sample-text strings in some of our fonts. (In OpenType, the ‘name’ table can take sample-text strings using name ID 19.) One