Re: [ClusterLabs] Antw: Re: 2-Node Cluster Pointless?

2017-04-22 Thread Digimer
On 23/04/17 12:51 AM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote: > 22.04.2017 23:33, Dmitri Maziuk пишет: >> On 4/22/2017 12:02 PM, Digimer wrote: >> >>> Having SBD properly configured is *massively* safer than no fencing at >>> all. So for people where other fence methods are not available for >>> whatever reason,

Re: [ClusterLabs] Antw: Re: 2-Node Cluster Pointless?

2017-04-22 Thread Andrei Borzenkov
22.04.2017 23:33, Dmitri Maziuk пишет: > On 4/22/2017 12:02 PM, Digimer wrote: > >> Having SBD properly configured is *massively* safer than no fencing at >> all. So for people where other fence methods are not available for >> whatever reason, SBD is the way to go. > > Now you're talking. IMO

Re: [ClusterLabs] Antw: Re: 2-Node Cluster Pointless?

2017-04-22 Thread Dmitri Maziuk
On 4/22/2017 12:02 PM, Digimer wrote: Having SBD properly configured is *massively* safer than no fencing at all. So for people where other fence methods are not available for whatever reason, SBD is the way to go. Now you're talking. IMO in a 2-node cluster, a node that kills itself in

Re: [ClusterLabs] Antw: Re: 2-Node Cluster Pointless?

2017-04-22 Thread Digimer
On 22/04/17 04:39 AM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote: > 22.04.2017 11:31, Klaus Wenninger пишет: > I wonder how SBD fits into this discussion. It is marketed as stonith agent, but it is based on committing suicide so relies on well-behaving nodes. Which we by definition cannot trust to

Re: [ClusterLabs] Antw: Re: 2-Node Cluster Pointless?

2017-04-22 Thread Andrei Borzenkov
22.04.2017 11:31, Klaus Wenninger пишет: >>> I wonder how SBD fits into this discussion. It is marketed as stonith >>> agent, but it is based on committing suicide so relies on well-behaving >>> nodes. Which we by definition cannot trust to behave well, otherwise >>> we'd not need stonith in

Re: [ClusterLabs] Antw: Re: 2-Node Cluster Pointless?

2017-04-22 Thread Klaus Wenninger
On 04/22/2017 09:20 AM, Digimer wrote: > On 22/04/17 03:05 AM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote: >> 18.04.2017 10:47, Ulrich Windl пишет: >> ... Now let me come back to quorum vs. stonith; Said simply; Quorum is a tool for when everything is working. Fencing is a tool for when things go

Re: [ClusterLabs] Antw: Re: 2-Node Cluster Pointless?

2017-04-22 Thread Andrei Borzenkov
18.04.2017 10:47, Ulrich Windl пишет: ... >> >> Now let me come back to quorum vs. stonith; >> >> Said simply; Quorum is a tool for when everything is working. Fencing is >> a tool for when things go wrong. > > I'd say: Quorum is the tool to decide who'll be alive and who's going to die, > and