Re: [ClusterLabs] Two node cluster without fencing and no split brain?

2021-07-22 Thread Jehan-Guillaume de Rorthais
On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 13:10:45 +0300 Andrei Borzenkov wrote: > On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 1:05 PM Jehan-Guillaume de Rorthais > wrote: > > To do some rewording in regard with the current topic: if Pacemaker is able > > to stop its resources after a quorum lost, it will not reboot, no "death" > >

Re: [ClusterLabs] Two node cluster without fencing and no split brain?

2021-07-22 Thread Andrei Borzenkov
On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 1:05 PM Jehan-Guillaume de Rorthais wrote: > To do some rewording in regard with the current topic: if Pacemaker is able to > stop its resources after a quorum lost, it will not reboot, no "death" either. > And how exactly is the remaining quorate partition supposed to

Re: [ClusterLabs] Two node cluster without fencing and no split brain?

2021-07-22 Thread Jehan-Guillaume de Rorthais
On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 12:56:40 +0300 Andrei Borzenkov wrote: > On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 12:43 PM Jehan-Guillaume de Rorthais > wrote: > > > > On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:45:40 -0400 > > Digimer wrote: > > > > > On 2021-07-21 3:26 a.m., Jehan-Guillaume de Rorthais wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > >

Re: [ClusterLabs] Two node cluster without fencing and no split brain?

2021-07-22 Thread Jehan-Guillaume de Rorthais
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 22:02:21 -0400 "Frank D. Engel, Jr." wrote: > In OpenVMS, the kernel is aware of the cluster.  As is mentioned in that > presentation, it actually stops processes from running and blocks access > to clustered storage when quorum is lost, and resumes them appropriately >

Re: [ClusterLabs] Two node cluster without fencing and no split brain?

2021-07-22 Thread Andrei Borzenkov
On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 12:43 PM Jehan-Guillaume de Rorthais wrote: > > On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:45:40 -0400 > Digimer wrote: > > > On 2021-07-21 3:26 a.m., Jehan-Guillaume de Rorthais wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 04:28:30 + (UTC) > > > Strahil Nikolov via Users wrote: > >

Re: [ClusterLabs] Two node cluster without fencing and no split brain?

2021-07-22 Thread Jehan-Guillaume de Rorthais
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:45:40 -0400 Digimer wrote: > On 2021-07-21 3:26 a.m., Jehan-Guillaume de Rorthais wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 04:28:30 + (UTC) > > Strahil Nikolov via Users wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> consider using a 3rd system as a Q disk. Also, you can use iscsi

Re: [ClusterLabs] Two node cluster without fencing and no split brain?

2021-07-21 Thread Digimer
On 2021-07-21 3:26 a.m., Jehan-Guillaume de Rorthais wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 04:28:30 + (UTC) > Strahil Nikolov via Users wrote: > >> Hi, >> consider using a 3rd system as a Q disk. Also, you can use iscsi from that >> node as a SBD device, so you will have proper fencing .If

Re: [ClusterLabs] Two node cluster without fencing and no split brain?

2021-07-21 Thread Christine caulfield
On 21/07/2021 09:50, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: OpenVMS can do this sort of thing without a requirement for fencing (you still need a third disk as a quorum device in a 2-node cluster), but Linux (at least in its current form) cannot. From what I can tell the fencing requirements in the Linux

Re: [ClusterLabs] Two node cluster without fencing and no split brain?

2021-07-21 Thread Jehan-Guillaume de Rorthais
On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 04:50:09 -0400 "Frank D. Engel, Jr." wrote: > OpenVMS can do this sort of thing without a requirement for fencing (you > still need a third disk as a quorum device in a 2-node cluster), but > Linux (at least in its current form) cannot. Yes it can, as far as what you are

Re: [ClusterLabs] Two node cluster without fencing and no split brain?

2021-07-21 Thread Andrei Borzenkov
On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 11:50 AM Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: > > OpenVMS can do this sort of thing without a requirement for fencing (you > still need a third disk as a quorum device in a 2-node cluster), but > Linux (at least in its current form) cannot. From what I can tell the > fencing

Re: [ClusterLabs] Two node cluster without fencing and no split brain?

2021-07-21 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
OpenVMS can do this sort of thing without a requirement for fencing (you still need a third disk as a quorum device in a 2-node cluster), but Linux (at least in its current form) cannot. From what I can tell the fencing requirements in the Linux solution are mainly due to limitations of how

Re: [ClusterLabs] Two node cluster without fencing and no split brain?

2021-07-21 Thread Jehan-Guillaume de Rorthais
Hi, On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 04:28:30 + (UTC) Strahil Nikolov via Users wrote: > Hi, > consider using a 3rd system as a Q disk. Also, you can use iscsi from that > node as a SBD device, so you will have proper fencing .If you don't have a > hardware watchdog device, you can use softdog kernel

Re: [ClusterLabs] Two node cluster without fencing and no split brain?

2021-07-20 Thread Andrei Borzenkov
On 21.07.2021 07:28, Strahil Nikolov via Users wrote: > Hi, > consider using a 3rd system as a Q disk. What was not clear in "Quorum is a different concept and doesn't remove the need for fencing"? > Also, you can use iscsi from that node as a SBD device, so you will have > proper fencing .If

Re: [ClusterLabs] Two node cluster without fencing and no split brain?

2021-07-20 Thread Strahil Nikolov via Users
Hi, consider using a 3rd system as a Q disk. Also, you can use iscsi from that node as a SBD device, so you will have proper fencing .If you don't have a hardware watchdog device, you can use softdog kernel module for that. Best Regards,Strahil Nikolov On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 1:45, Digimer

Re: [ClusterLabs] Two node cluster without fencing and no split brain?

2021-07-20 Thread Digimer
On 2021-07-20 6:04 p.m., john tillman wrote: > Greetings, > > Is it possible to configure a two node cluster (pacemaker 2.0) without > fencing and avoid split brain? No. > I was hoping there was a way to use a 3rd node's ip address, like from a > network switch, as a tie breaker to provide

[ClusterLabs] Two node cluster without fencing and no split brain?

2021-07-20 Thread john tillman
Greetings, Is it possible to configure a two node cluster (pacemaker 2.0) without fencing and avoid split brain? I was hoping there was a way to use a 3rd node's ip address, like from a network switch, as a tie breaker to provide quorum. A simple successful ping would do it. I realize that