Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-20 Thread Upayavira
Jay Freeman (saurik) wrote: ... Oh, I totally understand that Cocoon is a work in progress... that's actually one of the things I like most about it :). I _did_ mention in a reply to my original proposal on the dev-list (and was tacked to the bottom of the forward that I gave Ralph that ended up

RE: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-17 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Hi: I think this discussion is good. Please mantain the discussion in just one list. These is a waste of Apache resources sending all the messages to both lists. Best Regards, Antonio Gallardo - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

RE: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-17 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Ralph Goers wrote: Yes, the blocks are in their own jars. I'm OK with that, but that really isn't an issue for me. I simply meant that when building from source, since you have the option of excluding blocks the output could all go in one jar. With binaries you'd be required to separate them

Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-17 Thread Jay Freeman \(saurik\)
] - Original Message - From: Antonio Gallardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 3:07 AM Subject: RE: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary?? ... I don't want to clean or insert anything else. I build all my stuff in my own project using Maven. We just want

Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-17 Thread Upayavira
this helps. Regards, Upayavira Ralph Goers wrote: -Original Message- From: Sam Chance [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary?? Maybe my

Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-17 Thread Geoff Howard
Ralph Goers wrote: - The samples are easy to exclude with the new build. Please enlighten me. I did a build where the only block I built was html. I still got all the samples - except the only blocks sample present was html. I also got a bunch of jars in WEB-INF/lib that I am sure I don't need.

Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-17 Thread Jay Freeman \(saurik\)
: Sunday, August 17, 2003 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary?? What I urge in relation to this subject is patience. This subject has been discussed before, and the developers are aware of it. The current approach is better than it was, but still far from perfect

Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-17 Thread Geoff Howard
Ralph Goers wrote: I don't have any of those set as they were not in the build.properties file in 2.1RC1, so I didn't know they existed. I will certainly use exclude.webapp.samples now that I know. Sorry, but it was there:

Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-17 Thread Geoff Howard
Geoff Howard wrote: Sonny Sukumar wrote: Is there a document that explains line by line what each of the entries in build.properties is? Some of them weren't clear to me, so I just guessed whether I needed them or not. Not that I'm aware of and it's a good idea. Could you start a wiki page

Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-17 Thread Sonny Sukumar
From: Geoff Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary?? Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:16:03 -0400 Geoff Howard wrote: Sonny Sukumar wrote: Is there a document that explains line by line what each of the entries

Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-17 Thread Geoff Howard
Sonny Sukumar wrote: Geoff Howard wrote: Sonny Sukumar wrote: I see you started a Wiki page at http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=BuildProperties. I don't think I'm quite qualified to put in the descriptions of the line items, but for everybody else so inclined, do check out Geoff's

RE: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-17 Thread Ralph Goers
You are absolutely correct. I was looking at block.properties as that is the only file I have overridden. Ralph -Original Message- From: Geoff Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 12:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1

RE: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-17 Thread Ralph Goers
Gallardo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 1:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary?? Pardon me for being rude, but I really don't care. I will not integrate my project into cocoon (i.e - use Cocoon's build to build my webapp). I

RE: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-17 Thread Sam Chance
, August 16, 2003 4:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary?? Is there a document that explains line by line what each of the entries in build.properties is? Some of them weren't clear to me, so I just guessed whether I needed them

RE: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-17 Thread Ralph Goers
-Original Message- From: Sam Chance [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary?? Maybe my angst is really unfounded and I just want

RE: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-16 Thread Sam Chance
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary?? The explanation given here is *not* an explanation at all - not all of us are subscribers to the developers list and so are not party to the discussions that prompted this decision - perhaps one of the developers can summarise

Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-16 Thread Geoff Howard
Ralph Goers wrote: Personally, I don't really care whether cocoon ships as a binary or not. In fact, to ship as a binary, each of the blocks would need to be in its own jar file. From a documentation perspective this might be better as it is easy to see which blocks are being included in a

Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-16 Thread Jay Freeman \(saurik\)
recommendation would end up forcing. :) Sincerely, Jay Freeman (saurik) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Geoff Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary?? Ralph Goers wrote

Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-16 Thread Geoff Howard
the best of both worlds. Geoff -Original Message- From: Derek Hohls [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary?? The explanation given here is *not* an explanation at all - not all of us

Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-16 Thread Sonny Sukumar
: Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary?? Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 18:21:17 -0400 Sam Chance wrote: As a user...the binary is essential. I understand it makes it easier for the developers, but I think the issue needs to be revisited with an intent to distribute a binary. Ok, first of all - I

RE: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-16 Thread Ralph Goers
: Saturday, August 16, 2003 3:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary?? Sam Chance wrote: As a user...the binary is essential. I understand it makes it easier for the developers, but I think the issue needs to be revisited with an intent

Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-15 Thread Derek Hohls
The explanation given here is *not* an explanation at all - not all of us are subscribers to the developers list and so are not party to the discussions that prompted this decision - perhaps one of the developers can summarise the issues and update the website - then the rest of us can have a

Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-15 Thread Derek Hohls
Stephen Thanks, yes, I will make the effort to go and read them. But my point still stands - not everyone will have read the mail archives or wants to be an "on the edge" developer; I also think that the most large modern packages come in a "binary" format that if a decision to not take this

Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-15 Thread Steven Noels
Derek Hohls wrote: Stephen Thanks, yes, I will make the effort to go and read them. But my point still stands - not everyone will have read the mail archives or wants to be an on the edge developer; I'm pretty sure adding the link I just send to the download page won't entice these people

Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-15 Thread Geoff Howard
I'm coming in after Steven's answers so I'll just add a few things... Derek Hohls wrote: The explanation given here is *not* an explanation at all - not all of us are subscribers to the developers list and so are not party to the discussions that prompted this decision - perhaps one of the

Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.1 Released - binary??

2003-08-15 Thread Steven Noels
Derek Hohls wrote: The explanation given here is *not* an explanation at all - not all of us are subscribers to the developers list and so are not party to the discussions that prompted this decision - perhaps one of the developers can summarise the issues and update the website - then the rest