Hi Romain,
Yes, you may be right that it's either everybody or nobody. Coming up with
any levels of entry is going to raise questions as we see :).
I wasn't aware that my idea might be against ASF guidelines as it is
somewhat based on its own sponsorship page (
Hi Viktor,
Having a support page is ASF friendly and quite common for the reasons
mentionned in the ticket and these threads and aim at helping end users.
I saw that Matthias was afraid of the maintenance of such a page but I guess it
costs nothing to merge François PR - or alike, accept the
Hi all,
I think that making and updating such a list implies tricky questions that
we have to deal with. Good examples were given by Matthias, that was my
first thought as well before reading his response.
On the other hand I think it would be a good alternative to create a list
of companies
Hi Tison,
Publishing a dedicated website for that can be a good idea, however if
the link of the website could not be mention in the official Apache
Kafka website I'm afraid that it will not be relevant.
BTW, as I understand after all the feedback of the Apache Kafka PMC and
community, my
Hi Matthias,
Thank you for your feedback, it make sense. My proposal was to help user
finding support but as you said, may be this is not the right way to
address it.
regards,
François
On 13/01/2024 00:34, Matthias J. Sax wrote:
François,
thanks for starting this initiative. Personally,
FWIW - even if it's rejected by the Kafka PMC, you can maintain your
own page for such information and provide your personal comments on
them. If the object is to provide information and help users to make
decisions, it should help. Although you should do the SEO by yourself,
if the information is
François,
thanks for starting this initiative. Personally, I don't think it's
necessarily harmful for the project to add such a new page, however, I
share the same concerns others raised already.
I understand your motivation that people had issues finding commercial
support, but I am not
Hi Justine,
You're right, Kafka is a part of my business (training, consulting,
architecture design, sla...) and most of the time, users/customers said
that it was hard for them to find a commercial support (in France for my
case) after searching on the Kafka website (Google didn't help
Hi Chris,
I never said that the Apache Kafka community "has to" provide this kind
of page and it's not an official policy of the ASF.
I just listed other projects to show that this is something that already
exist so this is potentially something that could be good for the
community of an
Hi François,
Is it an official policy of the ASF that projects provide a listing of
commercial support options for themselves? I understand that other projects
have chosen to provide one, but this doesn't necessarily imply that all
projects should do the same, and I can't say I find this point
Hi Justine,
I'm not sure to see the difference between "happy users" and vendors
that advertise their products in some of the company list in the
"powered by" page.
Btw, my initial purpose of my proposal was to help user to find support
for production stuff rather than searching in google.
Hi,
About the vendors list and neutrality, what is the policy of the
"Powered by" page?
https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by
We can see company with logo, some are talking about their product
(Agoora), some are offering services (Instaclustr, Aiven), and we can
also see some that just put
I agree with Divji here and to be more pointed. I worry that if we go down
the path of adding vendors to a list it comes off as supporting their
product, not to mention could be a huge security risk for novice users. I
would rather this be a callout to other purely open source tooling, such as
Hi,
The purpose is not to mention or list vendor, it's not a page to list
product based on Apache Kafka. The purpose is to list companies that
offer support for production, training or consulting only on Apache Kafka.
It's a common use case where users are looking for a commercial support
I don't see a need for this. What additional information does this provide
over what can be found via a quick google search?
My primary concern is that we are getting in the business of listing
vendors in the project site which brings it's own complications without
adding much additional value
Hi,
After starting a first thread on this topic
(https://lists.apache.org/thread/kkox33rhtjcdr5zztq3lzj7c5s7k9wsr), I would
like to propose a PR:
https://github.com/apache/kafka-site/pull/577
The purpose of this proposal is to help users to find support for sla,
training,
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