On Fri, 26 Apr 2024, Tim via users wrote:
Tim: (re xeyes)
My guess would be that something monitoring mouse movements when those
mouse movements could be related to another app is considered insecure.
Well, *I* would consider it insecure if any app could see what I was
doing with the mouse at
Il giorno gio, 25/04/2024 alle 00.10 -0400, Jeffrey Walton ha scritto:
> So it looks like your fears may be unfounded at the moment.
Yes, my fear is postponed to Fedora 41 (after version 40), for now.
I have try on a F40 VM with Gnome + Xorg my preferred, and for me
useful, app & extensions and
Tim: (re xeyes)
>> My guess would be that something monitoring mouse movements when those
>> mouse movements could be related to another app is considered insecure.
>> Well, *I* would consider it insecure if any app could see what I was
>> doing with the mouse at any time.
Michael Hennebry:
>
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024, Tim via users wrote:
On Thu, 2024-04-25 at 16:00 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
I'll bite: Wassa matter with xeyes?
My guess would be that something monitoring mouse movements when those
mouse movements could be related to another app is considered insecure.
Well, *I*
On Thu, 2024-04-25 at 16:00 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> I'll bite: Wassa matter with xeyes?
My guess would be that something monitoring mouse movements when those
mouse movements could be related to another app is considered insecure.
Well, *I* would consider it insecure if any app could see
On 4/25/24 3:00 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024, George N. White III wrote:
There are things Wayland won't permit (xeyes), and things that are yet to
implemented. The latter may not get much attention if they aren't
I'll bite: Wassa matter with xeyes?
I second Michael's
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024, George N. White III wrote:
There are things Wayland won't permit (xeyes), and things that are yet to
implemented. The latter may not get much attention if they aren't
I'll bite: Wassa matter with xeyes?
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On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 8:00 AM Dario Lesca wrote:
> Ok my notebook I work with Fedora from Core 1 with Gnome on Xorg-x11
>
> I would like to continue to work with Gnome on Xorg-x11 ... even after
> version 40
>
> What is the best way to do that without change distro?
>
I'm in the process of a
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 7:48 PM Sam Varshavchik
wrote:
> Jeffrey Walton writes:
>
> > Wayland is still pretty immature when compared to X11. It would be nice
> if
> > Wayland was more mature before we are forced to switch to it.
>
> The question on everyone's mind is: well, here's a video card
On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 09:05:51PM -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
I don't know why Gnome is in the subject. I haven't seen any mention
of support being dropped so I believe there's still X11 support [ .. ]
Perhaps because of headlines like this:
"Big News! GNOME to Drop X11 for a Wayland-only
On 4/22/24 20:57, Ranjan Maitra via users wrote:
Btw, does all this discussion about F40 dropping support for X11 mean that
openbox (the window manager, also behind LXDE) also stop working with F40?
F40 isn't dropping support for X11. The big thing about F40 is that the
Fedora KDE Plasma 6
On Mon Apr22'24 07:36:16AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> From: Sam Varshavchik
> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2024 07:36:16 -0400
> To: Community support for Fedora users
> Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users
> Subject: Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome
Wolfgang Pfeiffer via users writes:
On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 12:01:58PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer via users wrote:
On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 10:00:02AM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Wolfgang Pfeiffer via users writes:
I can't buy these repeatedly and ad nauseam asserted ideas of x11/xorg
On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 12:01:58PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer via users wrote:
On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 10:00:02AM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Wolfgang Pfeiffer via users writes:
I can't buy these repeatedly and ad nauseam asserted ideas of x11/xorg
vulnerabilities as an excuse for dumping the
On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 10:00:02AM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Wolfgang Pfeiffer via users writes:
I can't buy these repeatedly and ad nauseam asserted ideas of x11/xorg
vulnerabilities as an excuse for dumping the Xorg/X11 system as a
whole.
I don't see much value is discussing the
On 4/21/24 07:28, Tim via users wrote:
And if they do add all the features you want back in, you're back to
using the product they've trashed to take its place (with new sets of
security problems). You may as well have worked on the original
product and fixed it. Wayland smacks of "I didn't
On Sat, 2024-04-20 at 19:48 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> There are things Wayland won't permit (xeyes), and things that are yet to
> implemented.
No xeyes? Who doesn't want a pair of googlie eyes goofily staring at
their mouse pointer?
Actually, I do have a pair of them on this PC, I
Wolfgang Pfeiffer via users writes:
I can't buy these repeatedly and ad nauseam asserted ideas of x11/xorg
vulnerabilities as an excuse for dumping the Xorg/X11 system as a
whole.
I don't see much value is discussing the validity of those excuses. It is
what it is. They don't want to work
On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 07:48:16PM -0300, George N. White III wrote:
On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 8:26 AM Sam Varshavchik
wrote:
Barry writes:
> The problem is no one is maintaining the X11 code.
>
> All the people that used to work on X11 moved on to wayland
> after it became very clear that
George N. White III writes:
I definitely know what I'll be missing with Wayland, though.
There are things Wayland won't permit (xeyes), and things that are yet to
implemented. The latter may not get much attention if they aren't considered
important by large enterprises. Colleagues in
On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 8:26 AM Sam Varshavchik
wrote:
> Barry writes:
>
> > The problem is no one is maintaining the X11 code.
> >
> > All the people that used to work on X11 moved on to wayland
> > after it became very clear that X11’s design was preventing
> implementation
> > of features
Barry writes:
The problem is no one is maintaining the X11 code.
All the people that used to work on X11 moved on to wayland
after it became very clear that X11’s design was preventing implementation
of features that end users wanted.
So if you stick on X11 you will be running code that is
> On 17 Apr 2024, at 17:00, Go Canes wrote:
>
> Red Hat and/or Fedora reverse their decision and decide to continue
> providing X11,
The problem is no one is maintaining the X11 code.
All the people that used to work on X11 moved on to wayland
after it became very clear that X11’s design was
Suse Shi writes:
»from my exprience, fedora xfce spin is a good choice for old hardware, and
I'm using fedora+xfce for desktop 10yrs+.
The XFCE spin is also a pretty good choice for new hardware, too.
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from my exprience, fedora xfce spin is a good choice for old hardware, and
I'm using fedora+xfce for desktop 10yrs+.
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Mike Wright 于2024年4月18日周四 10:07写道：
> On 4/17/24 17:37, Mike Wright wrote:
>
> > From what I read X11 suffered from mission creep and a lot of features
> > that should have
On 4/17/24 17:37, Mike Wright wrote:
From what I read X11 suffered from mission creep and a lot of features
that should have been in the
windowmanagers
ended up in X11 and will never
be in Wayland.
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Jeffrey Walton writes:
Wayland is still pretty immature when compared to X11. It would be nice if
Wayland was more mature before we are forced to switch to it.
The question on everyone's mind is: well, here's a video card that works
fine with X. It's 5-10 years old, one of mine is even
On 4/17/24 12:30, Go Canes wrote:
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 1:48 PM John Mellor wrote:
With X being a completely unmaintainable mess, all new and bugfix
development stopped about 2 years ago. Most disturbing is that for the
last 2 years there have been essentially no security fixes as a
On 04/17/2024 05:09 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
There are:
https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap
basically, the plan is to have prelim support in the next release (4.20)
and refine/improve it after that.
Excellent! Thanx for bringing that to my attention.
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 19:36:45 -0400
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> Wayland is still pretty immature when compared to X11. It would be nice if
> Wayland was more mature before we are forced to switch to it.
That seems to be the standard linux "improvement" path. Get rid of something
everyone uses,
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 2:14 PM Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:56:44 -0600
> Joe Zeff wrote:
>
> > And so will I along with everybody using Xfce as I don't know if there
> > are even any plans yet to make it Wayland compatible.
>
> Has Wayland (or the compositor, or whatever they
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 03:30:32PM GMT, Go Canes wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 1:48 PM John Mellor wrote:
> >
> > With X being a completely unmaintainable mess, all new and bugfix
> > development stopped about 2 years ago. Most disturbing is that for the
> > last 2 years there have been
On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 07:27:21AM GMT, Tim via users wrote:
> On Wed, 2024-04-17 at 13:47 -0400, John Mellor wrote:
> > However, given that absolutely everyone today has compute power
> > on their desk and everyone has a gpu for things like compositing instead
> > of what was available back
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:56:44AM GMT, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 04/17/2024 11:08 AM, t_...@tiscali.it wrote:
> > I'm on fedora since years.
> > If they'll completely drop X11, I need to change distro.
> > Any suggestion on which distro is good for continuing to
> > use the "VERY OLD" X11/Mwm ?
> >
On Wed, 2024-04-17 at 13:47 -0400, John Mellor wrote:
> However, given that absolutely everyone today has compute power
> on their desk and everyone has a gpu for things like compositing instead
> of what was available back when X was designed
Bullshit!
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On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 1:48 PM John Mellor wrote:
>
> With X being a completely unmaintainable mess, all new and bugfix
> development stopped about 2 years ago. Most disturbing is that for the
> last 2 years there have been essentially no security fixes as a result.
I have heard that there
On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:56:44 -0600
Joe Zeff wrote:
> And so will I along with everybody using Xfce as I don't know if there
> are even any plans yet to make it Wayland compatible.
Has Wayland (or the compositor, or whatever they imagine is responsible)
got the ability yet to remap keyboard
On 04/17/2024 11:08 AM, t_...@tiscali.it wrote:
I'm on fedora since years.
If they'll completely drop X11, I need to change distro.
Any suggestion on which distro is good for continuing to
use the "VERY OLD" X11/Mwm ?
Thanks
And so will I along with everybody using Xfce as I don't know if
With X being a completely unmaintainable mess, all new and bugfix
development stopped about 2 years ago. Most disturbing is that for the
last 2 years there have been essentially no security fixes as a result.
A couple of distros have done some critical bugfixes to try to keep the
dead horse
On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 14:00:00 +0200
Dario Lesca wrote:
> Ok my notebook I work with Fedora from Core 1 with Gnome on Xorg-x11
>
> I would like to continue to work with Gnome on Xorg-x11 ... even after
> version 40
>
> What is the best way to do that without change distro?
>
> Many thanks
>
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:38 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:
> As I understand it, X11 will still be installable, though I don't know
> how long that will last.
I think the only long-term hope for those of us that require
capabilities that X11 provides (and Wayland does not) is that either
Red
On Wed, 2024-04-17 at 14:00 +0200, Dario Lesca wrote:
> Ok my notebook I work with Fedora from Core 1 with Gnome on Xorg-x11
>
> I would like to continue to work with Gnome on Xorg-x11 ... even
> after
> version 40
>
> What is the best way to do that without change distro?
As I understand it,
Ok my notebook I work with Fedora from Core 1 with Gnome on Xorg-x11
I would like to continue to work with Gnome on Xorg-x11 ... even after
version 40
What is the best way to do that without change distro?
Many thanks
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(Inviato dal mio Linux Fedora 39 Workstation)
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