Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-22 Thread Rüdiger Schulz
Hello, I still didn't find the time to make a blog post about this. So I just put the code on pastebin: http://pastebin.org/31242 I'm looking forward to your feedback :) I tested this filter on Jetty and Tomcat (with Firefox' user agent switcher) where it worked fine. However, as stated in the

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-14 Thread Rüdiger Schulz
Hello everybody, I just want to add my 2 cents to this discussion. At IndyPhone we too wanted to get rid of jesessionid-URLs in google's index. Yeah, it would be nice if the google bot would be as clever as the one from yahoo, and just remove them himself. But he doesn't. So I implemented a

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-14 Thread Korbinian Bachl - privat
Hi Rüdiger, AFAIK this could lead to some punishment by google, as he browses the site multiple times using different agents and origin IPs and in case he sees different behaviours he thinks about cloaking/ prepared content and will act accordingly to it; This is usually noticed after the

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-14 Thread Rüdiger Schulz
Hm, SEO is really a little bit like black science sometimes *g* This (german) article states, that SID cloaking would be ok for google: http://www.trafficmaxx.de/blog/google/gutes-cloaking-schlechtes-cloaking Some more googling, and here someone seems to confirm this:

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-14 Thread Korbinian Bachl - privat
Yeah, its quite a shame that google doesnt open source their logic ;) would be nice if you could give us the code however, so we could have a look at it :) Rüdiger Schulz schrieb: Hm, SEO is really a little bit like black science sometimes *g* This (german) article states, that SID

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-14 Thread Erik van Oosten
Hi Rüdiger, I would be very interested in the code. If you can not find a suitable repository, could you just do something simple like linking to a zip from a blog post? Regards, Erik. Rüdiger Schulz wrote: Hello everybody, I just want to add my 2 cents to this discussion. At

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-14 Thread Rüdiger Schulz
I'll wrap something up in the course of this week, and post it on my blog. (so little time a.t.m.) greetings, Rüdiger 2008/4/14, Erik van Oosten [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Rüdiger, I would be very interested in the code. If you can not find a suitable repository, could you just do something

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-13 Thread Korbinian Bachl - privat
. That may be good for SEO but it'll drive people away. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Thomerson Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:00 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO I've been building

RE: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-12 Thread John Patterson
include query string parameters that look like session ids. From what I remember Google can and does index pages with session ids BUT to a reduced degree. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Removing-the-jsessionid-for-SEO-tp16464534p16646137.html Sent from the Wicket - User

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-11 Thread Jeremy Thomerson
. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Thomerson Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:00 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO I've been building a community-driven hunting and fishing site in Texas

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-04 Thread Korbinian Bachl - privat
Hi Jeremy, Hi Dan, for a project long ago I had the trail of making a product-browser SEO friendly; I used a plain PagingNavigator at first, and then extended it to have it to use the IndexedUrlPageParameters; this allowed me to put anything into the path to have a nice URL; the key here is

RE: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-04 Thread Dan Kaplan
Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO We have a similar issue, and are trying the following out right now.. http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=40367 User-agent: * Disallow: /*? On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Artur W.
. Take care, Artur -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Removing-the-jsessionid-for-SEO-tp16464534p16467396.html Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Johan Compagner
; } } return false; } } I didn't test this code but I do similar thing in my old application in Spring and it works. Take care, Artur -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Removing-the-jsessionid

RE: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Zappaterrini, Larry
Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO isnt google always saying that you shouldn't alter behavior of your site depending of it is there bot or not? On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Artur W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! igor.vaynberg wrote: also by doing what you have done users

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Johan Compagner
To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO isnt google always saying that you shouldn't alter behavior of your site depending of it is there bot or not? On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Artur W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! igor.vaynberg wrote: also

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Igor Vaynberg
: Removing the jsessionid for SEO isnt google always saying that you shouldn't alter behavior of your site depending of it is there bot or not? On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Artur W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! igor.vaynberg wrote: also by doing

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Matej Knopp
AM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO isnt google always saying that you shouldn't alter behavior of your site depending of it is there bot or not? On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Artur W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

RE: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Dan Kaplan
version: If google indexes that and tries to visit it again, won't it report about an invalid session? -Original Message- From: Matej Knopp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:10 AM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO On the other

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Igor Vaynberg
? -Original Message- From: Matej Knopp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:10 AM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO On the other hand, crawling non-bookmarkable pages is not very useful anyway, since ?wicket:interface url

RE: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Dan Kaplan
, 2008 3:22 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: RE: Removing the jsessionid for SEO Regardless, at the very least this makes your site look weird and unprofessional when google puts a jsessionid on your url. There has got to be some negative effect when google visits it the second time

RE: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Dan Kaplan
How? I asked how to do it before and nobody suggested this as a possibility. -Original Message- From: Igor Vaynberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 3:26 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO dataview can work

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Igor Vaynberg
- From: Igor Vaynberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 3:26 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO dataview can work in a stateless mode, just use bookmarkable links inside it -igor On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Dan

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 4/4/08, Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regardless, at the very least this makes your site look weird and unprofessional when google puts a jsessionid on your url. 0.5% of your users care about the URL that is displayed in a google search result. It doesn't look weird or unprofessional.

RE: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Dan Kaplan
, 2008 3:30 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO instead of item.add(new link(foo) { onclick() }); do item.add(new bookmarkablepagelink(foo, page.class)); -igor On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How? I asked how to do

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Igor Vaynberg
talking about the links that the Navigator generates. How do I make it so page 2 is bookmarkable? -Original Message- From: Igor Vaynberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 3:30 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

RE: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Dan Kaplan
Awesome, thanks -Original Message- From: Igor Vaynberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 3:40 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO you subclass the pagenavigator and make it use bookmarkable links also. it has factory methods

RE: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Dan Kaplan
-Original Message- From: Martijn Dashorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 3:36 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO On 4/4/08, Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regardless, at the very least this makes your site look

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 4/4/08, Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My URL ends with ;jsessionid=an7goabg0az (my actual situation). I personally think that looks weirder than .php or .asp. Nah, it shows that you are using Java. Much more sophisticated! Where did you get that 0.5% statistic? Regardless, my

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Igor Vaynberg
. This is the crapwork that wicket does for you usually. -igor -Original Message- From: Igor Vaynberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 3:40 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO you subclass the pagenavigator

RE: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Dan Kaplan
into BookmarkablePagingNavigationLink? This seems like a lot of work. Am I missing something critical? -Original Message- From: Igor Vaynberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 3:40 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

RE: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Dan Kaplan
::: and ?wicket:interface=:0:1::: and ...? -Original Message- From: Igor Vaynberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 5:45 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Jeremy Levy
::: and ...? -Original Message- From: Igor Vaynberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 5:45 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok I did a little preliminary

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Igor Vaynberg
PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 5:45 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok I did a little preliminary research on this. Right now PagingNavigator uses

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Jeremy Levy
, April 03, 2008 5:45 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok I did a little preliminary research on this. Right now PagingNavigator uses PagingNavigationLink's

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-03 Thread Jeremy Thomerson
: Removing the jsessionid for SEO On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok I did a little preliminary research on this. Right now PagingNavigator uses PagingNavigationLink's to represent its page. This extends Link. I'm supposed to override

Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-02 Thread Dan Kaplan
victori_ provided this information on IRC and I just wanted to share it with everyone else. Googlebot and others don’t use cookies. This means when they visit your site it adds ;jsessionid=code to the end of all your urls they visit. When they re-visit it, they get a different code, consider

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-02 Thread Igor Vaynberg
you would think that the crawl bots are smart enough to ignore jsessionid tokens... -igor On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: victori_ provided this information on IRC and I just wanted to share it with everyone else. Googlebot and others don't use cookies.

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-02 Thread Igor Vaynberg
also by doing what you have done users with cookies disabled wont be able to use your site... -igor On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you would think that the crawl bots are smart enough to ignore jsessionid tokens... -igor On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at

Re: Removing the jsessionid for SEO

2008-04-02 Thread Ryan Gravener
I have noticed something like this with http_check on nagios. Is there a proper way to get rid of these temporary sessions? On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also by doing what you have done users with cookies disabled wont be able to use your site...