The real world isn't black and white, even if we'd like it to be. There
are varying degrees of regulation. Some regulation can be good.
Stifling regulation is rarely, if ever, good. Pink unicorns may have
managed to bring us a chocolate river while some regulation existed, but
you'd be
ok i have been fowwloing this thread for a while now, there are good
aurgments on both sides of the isues.
i do realy see one big flaw in your info mation.
out of all the research i have done on this (google,talking to the people in
the know) ill give you the facts .
there are no pink unicons, (i
Steve Watkins wrote:
Anarchism
as it is popularly misunderstood, has a flaw in that either external or
internal forces could
take control and intimidate people far wose than their own government ever
could.
It is impossible for chaotic gangs of rabble to even dream of slaughtering or
Sometimes maybe but other times the regulations are there for very good
reasons, such as
public health. Would removing regulation of advertising benefit the honest?
Deregulation of the banking sector in recent decades plays a large part in the
financial
nightmare that has begun.
I would
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is impossible for chaotic gangs of rabble to even dream of
slaughtering or
stealing on the scale that governments have in the 20th century.
I'm pretty sure the slaughtering in a lawless society, where people
are
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All of you are assuming network scarcity. Networks are only scarce
when
regulated by a government (FCC, USPS, et al.) Most government
regulation is
designed by large corporate lobbyists to thwart competition
Oh come now, thats a bit of a distortion. Technology evolves, government often
provides
the research or the money for research that enables the foundation of the
technology. In
recent decades the trend is then to opn this technology up for other uses,
commercialised
by the private sector,
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can see how my arguments would appear empty to anybody who can't
distinguish
between having benefited from and in spite of. They can observe
plucky
survival under harsh conditions, and credit the survival upon the
Chris wrote:
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why do you put honor system in quotes? I never used that phrase.
It wasn't
the honor system or any other sort of kindness that put cheap cell
phones in
the hands of nearly everybody in the West, rich
-pressed to make a case for regulation on this basis.
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Chris wrote:
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Why do you put honor system in quotes? I never used
Chris wrote:
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry if I'm not willing to place implicit trust in this mystical
honor system you seem to believe in, that will magically rein in
these entities that have so far shown no compunctions against raping
the
Chris wrote:
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Eddie!
There are probably fewer than five people on this list that would
find any
value in the old-school ARPANET the government gave us decades ago.
Everything
newer than that, and the cheap
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there some equivalent to Godwin's Law regarding free market fights?
There should be.
Rule Number One: You do not talk about Free Market Fight Club. ;)
Chris
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brian Richardson -
WhatTheCast? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Something tells me if I needed the government to do that for me it
would
cost $30,000 in somebody elses tax dollars, take two weeks to produce
and sound like it was recorded on a Victrola ... and
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I, like you, had no idea how naked self-interest could
paradoxically result
in good quality at affordable prices, my worldview would be equally
depressive.
Arguments of quality and price are not the whole of the
Actually this was one of the more civil discussions I've seen here in recent
months, although hilariously cynical and sarcastic at points. Enjoyed
reading it. Some good points all around, I learned a couple things to boot,
and was confused thoroughly by others. Like, do these river-dwelling
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 5:45 pm, Chris wrote:
I don't think anybody, short of a few free market utopians, suggested
that anybody was arguing the government should be doing everything for
everybody.
True, but it seems people want someone to save them if the cable company
decides to charge per
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Arguments of quality and price are not the whole of the argument.
There's environmental impact, fair treatment of labor and a whole lot
of other factors that I don't feel an unregulated free market would
adequately address.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why do you put honor system in quotes? I never used that phrase.
It wasn't
the honor system or any other sort of kindness that put cheap cell
phones in
the hands of nearly everybody in the West, rich and poor. It
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Eddie!
There are probably fewer than five people on this list that would
find any
value in the old-school ARPANET the government gave us decades ago.
Everything
newer than that, and the cheap hardware and
Steve Watkins wrote:
Sometimes maybe but other times the regulations are there for very good
reasons, such as
public health. Would removing regulation of advertising benefit the honest?
Deregulation of the banking sector in recent decades plays a large part in
the financial
nightmare
yay!
Ron Watson
http://k9disc.blip.tv
http://k9disc.com
http://discdogradio.com
http://pawsitivevybe.com
On Jan 18, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Chris wrote:
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
All of you are assuming network scarcity. Networks are only
I'm less worried about my own costs going up than I am about the
shrinking of my potential audience, since a lot of people won't
necessarily be willing to pay what I'm willing to pay for access. That
will mean a lot more people tiptoeing around the internet, afraid to
sample a lot of indie video
Yup. It'll lead to the Crapplebees and Fridays-ization of the internet.
Mom Pop shunned and chain restaurants embraced because 'you know
what you're going to get'.
People gravitate towards the known when they're paying for something.
It's comfortable and it makes sense from a personal
I believe that this space is no different than roads and community
infrastructure.
This space is power.
People having access to this space is dangerous.
What happened to Every man a publishing house! Every man a network.
That's the sales pitch communications companies gave to get the
Well I certainly dont trust that telecoms companies are the best guardians
providers of
open internet access for all. But this is not a new thing, and Ive spoken
before about hw
the ISPs work in the UK
UK ISPs have tried a variety of different approaches to limiting heavy use
since
That was sorta my thought toowell people be less willing to try
or download something because they don't or can't go over their
limit.
But the MPAA and the RIAA and the networks have got to be loving this
modelforce people back to the TV
Of course I am not sure if their (Time
Hey Steve,
Nice note...
I've been hearing about the terrorist 007 guy too, and I thought it
was about fomenting fear...
But, at least in this country, it's hard to split government from big
business these days because of corporate sponsored public policy.
People all up in arms about
I share Chris's concerns regarding the effect on potential audience.
I am also concerned about this causing internet cafes and other public
access points to limit the use of video and audio. As a maker, I want
to reach people who DON'T live most of their lives online and may
primarily access the
Additional clarification:
I dont mean you are paranoid, rather that if such things are exagurated, this
can be used
to dismiss them as unreality by those with the power to make our nightmares
come true.
We need to see the details before working out what is happening.
I dont think Ive ever
I agree that we can't have our cake and eat it too, but I think
that's not really what's going to happen.
ATT is rolling out HD TV over DSL. That's their baby. Somehow I
don't think that the bandwidth structure will be enforced there. It's
going to receive some kind of semantical exception.
I'll tell what's going to happen.
They will deliver digital television and we will remain online video.
CNN will become part of digital TV.
It's a semantical distinction that's going to be used to get rid of us.
Ron Watson
http://k9disc.blip.tv
http://k9disc.com
http://discdogradio.com
Well I agree with many of your comments, I just dont draw quite the same
conclusions.
Many of these corporations find it easier to see other corporations, similar
beasts, on their
threat radar. Yes we have seen heavyhanded tactics used against their own
customers, eg
RIAA legal stuff, but I
Doh that was supposed to say not. I am not a libertarian, I dont know what I
am, exactly
because much of the left scares me nearly as much as the right. At the end of
the day Id
prefer a dictatorship that fed all their children, to a dictatorship that did
not. But Id rather
have an actual
My biggest concern is incidental art. There have been numerous times
where I've caught music in a car or outside in my videos.
This is why I'm a strong proponent of reforming copyright law, and
cementing net neutrality into place.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brook Hinton [EMAIL
Nice Steve...
Thanks for the reply...
I wish I were closer so we could hit a pub and grab a beer.
I also share a great deal of thoughts with libertarians, love talking
with them, the social aspects are very appealing to me, but their
conclusions about markets being the salvation for
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