[videoblogging] Re: Porn without the porn

2008-10-11 Thread liza jean
so i had this idea, sent it to al. got back a phone number two weeks ago. haven't used it yet. the idea: an online store selling digital downloads of anything al goldstein cares to review. we at dyna-flix are selling some 100 titles and would list our catalog there with an extra dollar going

[videoblogging] Re: Porn

2008-10-11 Thread Mike Moon
That was funny... Oh please, call me Amber, Okay Amy Mike Moon http://vlog.mikemoon.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Been in lurker mode for a while. Someone else sent me a link to the video.I looked at it because the guy was in Dr. Horrible and

[videoblogging] Re: Porn

2008-10-11 Thread Harold
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: many of us have always been amazed that there hasnt been more porn creep into videoblogging. I know Porn is the originator of web video for the most part...but interesting more nudity hasnt crept into web shows.

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn

2008-10-10 Thread Irina
it didnt but me as much i thought it was ok but maybe because i watch so much CSI crime drama stuff i was just glad there was no sex since i didnt really get what they meant when they said everything they love about porn but the sex lol On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[videoblogging] Re: Porn without the porn

2008-10-10 Thread liza jean
that's my favorite quip from a friend describing our work. anybody remember Al Goldstein from Screw Magazine? i worked for Midnight Blue way back in 1980 for a month or so, was hired to'co- direct' after alex bennet left. seems the other 'co-director' was not consulted on this, i didn't last

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn

2008-10-10 Thread Jay dedman
Been in lurker mode for a while. Someone else sent me a link to the video.I looked at it because the guy was in Dr. Horrible and ok, let's see what they have. Er, no. Not giving the punchline away but it was creepy. Maybe it gender based or gross out humor. Or my funny bone is rusted but ew.

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn without the porn

2008-10-10 Thread Jay dedman
anybody remember Al Goldstein from Screw Magazine? i worked for Midnight Blue way back in 1980 for a month or so, was hired to'co- direct' after alex bennet left. seems the other 'co-director' was not consulted on this, i didn't last long. anyway, al, to whom anyone who is showing anything

[videoblogging] Re: Porn

2008-10-09 Thread Gena
Hi Jay, Been in lurker mode for a while. Someone else sent me a link to the video.I looked at it because the guy was in Dr. Horrible and ok, let's see what they have. Er, no. Not giving the punchline away but it was creepy. Maybe it gender based or gross out humor. Or my funny bone is rusted but

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-14 Thread Richard Show
On 1/10/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: excuse me but...None of us have absolute knowledge. I think its clear that i indeed have absolute knowledge. fyi.sullMichael,I'm really sorry to say this, truly, but you don't have absolute knowledge. I know that because, of course, I

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-14 Thread Michael Meiser
On Jan 14, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Richard Show wrote: On 1/10/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: excuse me but...None of us have absolute knowledge. I think its clear that i indeed have absolute knowledge.  fyi.sullMichael,I'm really sorry to say this, truly, but you don't have absolute

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-12 Thread Michael Sullivan
what does this mean exactly? Categories based on tags maybe?something i have going on vlogdir is ability for members to suggest a category. it goes into a queue and i get an email alert. mostly they are approved... I'm kind of lazy about it too. sometimes i get very redundant or non-sensible

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-12 Thread Devlon
On 1/12/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what does this mean exactly? Categories based on tags maybe?This means something like groups of tags in categories, like filtering on tags, or something...but I've thought about it since it that's just dumb, too cumbersome. something i

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-11 Thread Markus Sandy
there have been several threads in the past regarding who sends the most email to this group, but I can't imagine that anyone sends more words than Michael. And fine words they often are! (raises a glass of the local brew) markus Enric wrote: You're wordy, but good. ... --- In

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-11 Thread robert a/k/a r
Thanks for posting the zappa link, Chris. This FOIA request response will take only one minute to read and is informative: http://www.buzzmachine.com/archives/2004_11_15.html#008481 On Jan 10, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Christopher Weagel wrote: ... Here's the Zappa clip:

[videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Ms. Kitka
There are several feeds that have been flagged as potential adult content, not just the one, there are 25 of them. But I agree that there should be some dialog with the producers of the feeds before they get flagged, that's where Mefeedia did go wrong, agreed. The process is being refined.

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Devlon
On 1/10/06, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish that there were more options when submitting a feed to a site like Mefeedia. Many sites ask whether your vlog is explicit or contains adult content but that's where I believe they're wrong. What would be nice is if the sites would

[videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Enric
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Philip Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My feed is one of the ones that has been flagged as adult content. I'm OK with that. Seems to me, as long as you're the one who's hosting the party, you should be allowed to set the dress code. I agree. --

[videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Bill Streeter
I would say that you should consult with the porn site owners and get their input. I wouldn't think that they would want their stuff accessed by kids any more than you do. I think Richards biggest issue seemed to be that MeFeedia seemed to arbitrarily pick his feed out for labeling without

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Devlon
On 1/10/06, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say that you should consult with the porn site owners and get their input. I wouldn't think that they would want their stuff accessed by kids any more than you do. I think Richards biggest issue seemed to be that MeFeedia seemed

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Michael Sullivan
right.the last thread on this a month or 2 or 3 or 4 ago i suggested a proactive solution where the site had a clear path to Kid-friendly content, Adult content and some other filtered areas... where much else falls under the normalized flow of categories and tags. Yes, you can still 'see'

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Devlon
Sorry Sull, I did try to search for it this morning, but that's what I get for reacting to things without sufficient caffeine in my system. On 1/10/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: right. the last thread on this a month or 2 or 3 or 4 ago i suggested a proactive solution

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Devlon
On 1/10/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Philip Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My feed is one of the ones that has been flagged as adult content. I'm OK with that. Seems to me, as long as you're the one who's hosting the party, you should

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Michael Sullivan
categories... a full circle. back in the day most were like 'categories? that's out. Now it's all about tags!My response was... 'nope, its about categories AND tags'. On 1/10/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/10/06, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say that you

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Devlon
Categories based on tags maybe?On 1/10/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: categories... a full circle. back in the day most were like 'categories? that's out. Now it's all about tags!My response was... 'nope, its about categories AND tags'. On 1/10/06, Devlon [EMAIL

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Joshua Kinberg
Here's a suggestion... You need contact info for the feed owner to notify them (allow owners to claim their feed)... perhaps notify them that their feed will be flagged as explicit and offer them a choice to provide a rating category if they desire (PG, PG-13, R, X... whatever scale you want).

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Devlon
Yes, another good suggestion. We are working on feed claiming in a future release. I think the main failing in this issue is our lack of communication iwth the owner of the feed. On 1/10/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a suggestion... You need contact info for the feed

[videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Ms. Kitka
Ratings could be something like: Kids/General/Mature/Adult Sorry, but I don't think either of these tags fit all content very well. I think we'd need something like PG-13 or PG-16. I just think that David's description of Mature and Adult are too similar, which is why I mentioned R and X (R is

[videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Bill Streeter
Or how about this. Have a really general category structure by default, and allow users to create their own personallized categories based on tags. Okay maybe that's too obvious. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Pete Prodoehl
Ms. Kitka wrote: Ratings could be something like: Kids/General/Mature/Adult Sorry, but I don't think either of these tags fit all content very well. I think we'd need something like PG-13 or PG-16. I just think that David's description of Mature and Adult are too similar, which is why I

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Devlon
I would be nice (if this is a favorable way to go) to use our own ratings, and not be tied to choices big media made On 1/10/06, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ms. Kitka wrote: Ratings could be something like: Kids/General/Mature/Adult Sorry, but I don't think either of

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Andreas Haugstrup
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:32:11 +0100, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would be nice is if the sites would provide markers indicating the rating level of content similar to Hollywood films (G, PG-13, PG-16, R, X). There's nothing I hate more than sitting in front of the computer

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Joshua Kinberg
Categories based on tags maybe? That is the Microformat way. Just tag it with a relTag. -Josh On 1/10/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Categories based on tags maybe? On 1/10/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: categories... a full circle. back in the day

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Christopher Weagel
You guys are suggesting ratings? Jesus christ. Pick up a camera and go make something, stop wasting time on children who have assholes for parents. Chris Weagel www.human-dog.com On Jan 10, 2006, at 1:55 PM, Ms. Kitka wrote: Ratings could be something like: Kids/General/Mature/Adult

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Joshua Kinberg
maybe just allow folks to tag it not safe for work a check box when submitting a feed. -Josh On 1/10/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be nice (if this is a favorable way to go) to use our own ratings, and not be tied to choices big media made On 1/10/06, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Devlon
I think this will cover a lot of ground initially. I like it. On 1/10/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe just allow folks to tag it not safe for work a check box when submitting a feed. -Josh On 1/10/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be nice (if this is a

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Devlon
We did toss this idea around, I don't remember what happened to it, but it's a good idea. On 1/10/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Categories based on tags maybe? That is the Microformat way. Just tag it with a relTag. -Josh On 1/10/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Ms. Kitka
Or we could use the Entertainment Software Rating Board's ratings: http://www.esrb.org/esrbratings_guide.asp I heartfully agree with using the ESRB's ratings, they are well written and I can flag myself as being alright for over 13s (Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread duncan
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Michael Sullivan
yeah.. i this is good approach as a loose label...i suggested the same thing inside of a chat on tagging a feed 'plays on insert device name' so people can know if the channel will work on video iPods, PSPs etc... same applies here... a loose guide to the channel. still, RSS usage is best in

[videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread niko_video
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ms. Kitka wrote: Ratings could be something like: Kids/General/Mature/Adult Sorry, but I don't think either of these tags fit all content very well. I think we'd need something like PG-13 or PG-16. I just

[videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Ms. Kitka
Pick up a camera and go make something, stop wasting time on children who have assholes for parents. Oh, come on... haven't you ever heard of the Child Protection and Obscenity Enforcement Act? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/18_USC_Section_2257 Kitka Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Devlon
Metadata is king.On 1/10/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah.. i this is good approach as a loose label...i suggested the same thing inside of a chat on tagging a feed 'plays on insert device name' so people can know if the channel will work on video iPods, PSPs etc... same

[videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Ms. Kitka
If you are smart enough to be on the net, and you want to get porn, as a kid it isn't hard to do. I agree, if a kid is smart enough and wants to get porn I think they should be allowed to access it. However, the American Government doesn't agree with me, which is why 18 U.S.C. § 2251 exists

[videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Mark Cyr
I think Veoh got it right when they introduced the TV ratings scale in their directory to be applied by podcasters and suggested by viewers. With that said I always apply the explicit flag to all my posts even when certain directories say they are more PG-13, because it is our intention and

[videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Nick
I just check out your show Mark. http://appserver.veoh.com/mediaDetails.html?permalinkId=e22690 In light of that (oh! my virgin eyes!) I suggested a rating system of TV and TV-Boobs in which TV-Boobs was the rating given to anything with nudity (boobs and down). That would pretty much solve

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Joan Khoo
The ol' forbidden fruit. Be honest now, weren't you the same kids who snuck a peek at Playboy a few years back? Parental Advisory is for parents to be aware and keep their kids out of trouble. The kids' job is to get into trouble. :) The best we can do is to warn viewers because its really up

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread David Meade
exactly. putting a rating on something isn't about oh this will prevent kids from getting at it its about the producer being able to say I've given what information I can to help parents judge the content On 1/10/06, Joan Khoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ol' forbidden fruit. Be honest now,

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Christopher Weagel
Yes I have. I wasn't clear enough. My apologies. That law should be struck down and openly defied whenever possible. Imposing some sort of bullshit ratings system on yourself is admitting that the freaks who advocate such censorship are correct. Why? Because you're buying into the bullshit

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Christopher Weagel
Enric I'm telling people what to think? What the hell does that even mean? Or in reference to? Here's the Zappa clip: http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2658805?htv=12 Chris Weagel On Jan 10, 2006, at 7:05 PM, Enric wrote: Sorry, weagel but your telling people what to think -- Enric

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Michael Sullivan
excuse me but...None of us have absolute knowledge.I think its clear that i indeed have absolute knowledge. fyi.sullOn 1/10/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, that may not be exactly accurate.What it looks like to me (andI'm open to be proven wrong on this or anything else I state) is

[videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Enric
This discussion is probably annoying, off course and I'm getting philosophical abstract again (sorry, it's what I like to do -- treading now into moral philosophy.) But my point is that declaring something wrong in absolute terms and people who disagree as idiots doesn't leave room for discussion

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Joan Khoo
Hail the all-knowing Sull? On 1/11/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: excuse me but...None of us have absolute knowledge. I think its clear that i indeed have absolute knowledge. fyi.sullOn 1/10/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, that may not be exactly accurate.What it

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Michael Sullivan
if you must. ;-)On 1/10/06, Joan Khoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hail the all-knowing Sull? On 1/11/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: excuse me but...None of us have absolute knowledge. I think its clear that i indeed have absolute knowledge. fyi.sullOn 1/10/06, Enric

Re: [videoblogging] Re: PORN, yes, I said it PORN.

2006-01-10 Thread Michael Sullivan
Weagel taught me everything I know.On 1/10/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you must. ;-)On 1/10/06, Joan Khoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hail the all-knowing Sull? On 1/11/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: excuse me but...None of us have absolute knowledge.

[videoblogging] Re: Porn --and possible solutions

2005-12-04 Thread Enric
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunday, December 4, 2005, 2:47:21 PM, Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) wrote: Why the LET PEOPLE PICK A CATEGORY argument will fail: Not everyone will tag their videos correctly ... And what about the ambiguous

[videoblogging] re: Porn-- and possible soultions

2005-12-04 Thread Nerissa \(TheVideoQueen\)
The advantage of informative tagging is that it allows each viewer to construct his or her own filters appropriate to his or her own culture and views. This avoids the problem of global definitions and allows people to potentially reject anything they don't want to see, be it porn,

Re: [videoblogging] re: Porn-- and possible soultions

2005-12-04 Thread Joshua Kinberg
If you have a community of taggers then you can weight the tags such that things more commonly tagged X are pushed up in the list of items tagged X.Tags do not have to be a one to one relationship... in this way you can help minimize the effect of users simply trying to game the system. Of

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn --and possible solutions

2005-12-04 Thread Frank Carver
Sunday, December 4, 2005, 6:58:38 PM, Enric wrote: What worries me about both these approaches is that (despite your mention of ambiguous videos above) they both assume that (a) the only thing people are concerned with is porn, I don't see that assumption.  This is to deal with an issue that

[videoblogging] Re: Porn --and possible solutions

2005-12-04 Thread Enric
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunday, December 4, 2005, 6:58:38 PM, Enric wrote: What worries me about both these approaches is that (despite your mention of ambiguous videos above) they both assume that (a) the only thing people are concerned

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia??

2005-12-02 Thread Devlon
Ah, of course. One might find one thing incredible valuable, and another would not.On 12/1/05, Digital Buddha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If financial worth is equal to audience interest and that interest is subjective, is financial worth then subjective?On 12/1/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia??

2005-12-02 Thread Enric
And both determination of value can be objective to the different make up of those individuals. -- Enric http://www.cirne.com Determine the Media --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, of course. One might find one thing incredible valuable, and

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia??

2005-12-02 Thread Devlon
And those in control of the make up of an individual's make up (nature, nurture take your pick) are in control of the determination of value. And those with money and power may play a big role in one's make up, so they can feed thier own value. On 12/2/05, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia??

2005-12-02 Thread Devlon
Ok, it's late...that first part didn't make sense, but you know what I mean. On 12/2/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And those in control of the make up of an individual's make up (nature, nurture take your pick) are in control of the determination of value. And those with money and

[videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia??

2005-12-02 Thread Enric
The number of factors, complexity and randomness of human characteristics make it currently unlikely to precisely calculate worth for a large population. Another factor is that human beings are volitional and self-determined, therefore self-creating. So future predictions are likely to fail.

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia??

2005-12-02 Thread Devlon
Don't tell advertisers that ;)On 12/2/05, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The number of factors, complexity and randomness of human characteristics make it currently unlikely to precisely calculate worth for a large population. Another factor is that human beings are volitional and

[videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia??

2005-12-02 Thread Enric
The smart ones know it and adjust to constant change ;) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't tell advertisers that ;) On 12/2/05, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The number of factors, complexity and randomness of human characteristics make it

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia??

2005-12-02 Thread Frank Carver
Friday, December 2, 2005, 6:42:08 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote: My suggestion on the porn: Have a ratings system, so that everyone who submits a feed has to tag it rated G rated X or whatever. If a feed is rated X, replace any thumbnails with Adult Content or some such in a graphic. If

[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Bill Day
yes it is part of life... but much of this discussion is related to kids encountering this stuff. I like to use this illustration in that regard. http://www.missionarypositionsmovie.com/kiddyspam.jpg People find it irresponsible to create a picture like this, but then support who the

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia??

2005-12-02 Thread Deirdre Straughan
On 12/2/05, Frank Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it would work leaving the categorizing to the submitter.I can imagine plenty of reasons why someone might (deliberately oraccidentally) mis-categorize something. Yes, of course, but... I don't think that any of the sites which

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Michael Ridley
Well I certainly agree that people should be allowed to put whatever content they so choose on their web site, filtered or not. My issue is with this spreading conventional wisdom that seems to state that we all have some inherent, deep, and fundamental responsiblity to sanitize what we can and

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia??

2005-12-02 Thread Wong Teck Jung
we should have an authority to rate a vlog. just like netiba On 12/2/05, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/2/05, Frank Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it would work leaving the categorizing to the submitter. I can imagine plenty of reasons why someone might

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia??

2005-12-02 Thread Deirdre Straughan
On 12/2/05, Wong Teck Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we should have an authority to rate a vlog. just like netiba I've never heard of NetIBA before (just looked it up), which may or may not prove anything. But, for a business with money behind it, there is incentive to pay for something like

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia??

2005-12-02 Thread Wong Teck Jung
perhaps someone's willing to do sth like vlog-monitor? On 12/2/05, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/2/05, Wong Teck Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we should have an authority to rate a vlog. just like netiba I've never heard of NetIBA before (just looked it up), which may or

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia??

2005-12-02 Thread Pete Prodoehl
petertheman wrote: Hey Jay, yes, I noticed it as well. It was inevitable, I am actually surprised it took this long.. Any comments? Well, it's sad, but as a directory, I suppose it's something you have to deal with. Some ideas... I wouldn't go with G, PG, X type ratings... As mentioned,

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia?? - Porn on blogtelevision too

2005-12-02 Thread Jay dedman
I have to say I feel concerned about the free distribution of adult and violent videos by individuals, versus the law-abiding, lawyer- retaining mainstream producers who have to keep on file documents regarding the actor's age, animal welfare, explosives permits, etc. So my question is; How

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia??

2005-12-02 Thread Randolfe Wicker
Advisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Wong Teck Jung To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia?? we

[videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia??

2005-12-02 Thread petertheman
I wouldn't go with G, PG, X type ratings... As mentioned, 'adult' doesn't always mean X, etc. Perhaps following the iTunes model of marking things as 'mature' or 'explicit' or whatever might work. For people not logged in, I would filter out all 'mature' content. For people who are

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Michael Sullivan
thanks... and yeah I agree - censoring is prob the wrong way to go. be more innovative and yes, proactive, and prob have better success.if its easy to find the content geared for children, then the chances of them browsing the directory and seeing adult content is greatly reduced, generally

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Michael Sullivan
hmm.. and its sorta like a video rental store in that way ;)On 12/2/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:thanks... and yeah I agree - censoring is prob the wrong way to go. be more innovative and yes, proactive, and prob have better success. if its easy to find the content geared for

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia??

2005-12-02 Thread Pete Prodoehl
petertheman wrote: know that I'm sometimes not even sure if I should want videos in FireANT when my kids are in the room. Yep. It's a complex issue. I just want to make sure we provide solutions that scale and that work, but don't censor. There is enough censorship out there. Agreed. I'm

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Pete Prodoehl
Jay dedman wrote: Maybe the opposite approach would be logical? Instead of filtering the not for kids stuff, filter the kid friendly stuff. And include a warning on site stating that there may be adult content within, but check out our kid-friendly zone here You can then have

[videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia??

2005-12-02 Thread Enric
: [videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia?? i think i will setup a new section called vlogdirty... the porn room. ;-) sull On 12/1/05, petertheman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think you

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Michael Ridley
Of course it will. In the same way that the kids section of Blockbuster interests parents. There seems to be this view in our culture lately that kids are like little grownups and they just go and do whatever they want and so society has to protect them. That perspective is...not even

[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Enric
Is there a correlation between a child going to a peep show and turning into a thief later? Don't laws already prohibit adult establishments from allowing minors in? Aren't they already zoned in cities? Should those laws be eliminated because they restrict the choices and/or availablity of

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Michael Sullivan
the kid can also google porn and BOOYA!!of course some kids may be a little too curious too soon...but we should discuss the issue broadly and generalize, knowing that their are always exceptions.no solution will ever be perfect. On 12/2/05, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Enric
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the kid can also google porn and BOOYA!! of course some kids may be a little too curious too soon... but we should discuss the issue broadly and generalize, knowing that their are always exceptions. no solution

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Joshua Paul
Not that this thread hasn't run it's course, but I do like one suggestion that was made, and I sincerely hope that Peter takes it into serious consideration. The suggestion was to "safe filter" by default, much the way Google does for image searches. Considering how "public" (both figuratively

[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Enric
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:10:10 +0100, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not all company (video)blogs are evil. im not making a judgement on the products...i just dont want my time hijacked by

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Brad Webb
For me it's the thin edge of the wedge, and I think folks are focusing more on oh no! it's porn! -- where's the line drawn? How long until there's spvlogs, etc. Having a system in place to filter down -- not out -- things that negatively impact the community and tools aren't a bad thing, imho.

[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Eric Rice
I agree. All I can do in this world is protect my own kids. I make the rules. So when I populate FireANT, I'm putting in the things like the kidsafe feed (which could be abused--but that's what parenting entails) I also have a client that has TA in their video podcast. Mine is not to

[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Bill Day
Videographer, Writer, Activist Advisor: The Immortality Institute Hoboken, NJ http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ 201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Bill Day To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:48 AM Subject: [videoblogging] Re

[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Enric
e Hoboken, NJ http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ 201-656-3280- Original Message - From: Bill Day To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:48 AMSubject: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia??

2005-12-02 Thread Randolfe Wicker
he Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: petertheman To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:50 AM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Porn on mefeedia?? I wo

[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread petertheman
It's a good idea, but requires more coding than I can muster right now.. Will probably implement this in January.. Peter Not that this thread hasn't run it's course, but I do like one suggestion that was made, and I sincerely hope that Peter takes it into serious consideration. The

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Paul Knight
sorry all this underneath rant was basically aimed at comments during the day, it bares nothing to the thread attached.On 2 Dec 2005, at 19:34, Paul Knight wrote: Hi randy and enric,Although I understand that both of you have probably non-issues with pornography, check out this please before you

[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Enric
In the podcast from the Blogher session Blogging for Business, Christine Halvorson of Stonyfield Yogurt talks about how the president of the company insisted on creating a company blog even though the marketing department was in the beginning opposed to it: Blogher related site

[videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Enric
LOL, quite obviously... -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry all this underneath rant was basically aimed at comments during the day, it bares nothing to the thread attached. On 2 Dec 2005, at 19:34, Paul Knight wrote: Hi randy

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Randolfe Wicker
sor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Michael Ridley To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! The

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Miss Amy
InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Michael Ridley To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on.

2005-12-02 Thread Randolfe Wicker
en, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Enric To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Porn Shmorn. Grow up! There's real life going on. --- In vid

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