Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5 - dialog

2008-05-14 Thread Mike Wilson
Zachary Carter wrote: FWIW, in my first encounter with HTML5 dialog I assumed it meant a dialog box. Yes, I assumed the same thing. I think it would be better to not use such an overloaded term for the stated purpose. The spec itself uses dialog in both meanings: 3.4.6 ... tabbed dialogs

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5 - dialog

2008-05-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 14 May 2008, Mike Wilson wrote: Yes, I assumed the same thing. I think it would be better to not use such an overloaded term for the stated purpose. I agree in principle, but the alternatives, e.g.: so my first recommendation would be to go for conversation and live with its

[whatwg] Scripts not in the active document

2008-05-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007, Jonas Sicking wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: I believe this can happen in a number of ways, the simplest being that Page A calls a function on Page B. But I suspect there are also events that can fire in Page B even after it has closed. Actually per spec, if I

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5 - dialog

2008-05-14 Thread Mikko Rantalainen
Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 13 May 2008, Ernest Cline wrote: I agree that dialog isn't perfect and could be (and has been) confused with dialog boxes, but I'm not convinced it's not the best name for the job anyway. The other possibility is dialogue/ since the computing uses that cause

Re: [whatwg] Scripts not in the active document

2008-05-14 Thread Mike Wilson
Ian Hickson wrote: Jonas Sicking wrote: Scripts can actually still run fine even if you navigate away from a page. But there are definitely weird things happening (such as global scope being different from 'window'). Could you elaborate on this? I'm not clear on how to define this.

Re: [whatwg] When to stop video elements from playing

2008-05-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007, Jonas Sicking wrote: I believe the best solution here is to say that step 5 should throw an exception. I.e. you can't start playing a media element whose .ownerDocument is not a displayed document. What do you think of what the spec says at the moment?

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5

2008-05-14 Thread Smylers
Karl Dubost writes: Le 14 mai 2008 à 07:09, Ian Hickson a écrit : That [talk is] probably the best suggestion so far, but I'm still not convinced it's really much better than dialog . I think it has at least as many other interpretations (e.g. what we call a talk over here is really a

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5 - dialog

2008-05-14 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:36 AM, Mikko Rantalainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If dialog is used instead of dialogue then it should be designed in a such way that it can be used for dialog box in addition to dialogue (e.g. chat) in the future. I severely doubt this is possible or desirable.

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5

2008-05-14 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
2008/5/13 Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 13 May 2008, Paweł Stradomski wrote: [...] Perhaps talk ? Short and simple, although not exactly equal in meaning to dialog. That's probably the best suggestion so far, but I'm still not convinced it's really much better than dialog. I

Re: [whatwg] Review of the 3.16 section and the HTMLInputElement interface

2008-05-14 Thread Samuel Santos
This issue seems to be a very recurring and still unsolved problem when dealing with Web internationalization / multi-language Web Apps. I would like to suggest this to be reviewed with an editor comment please. Additionally, it's important if we could decorate separately the file path text field

Re: [whatwg] Review of the 3.16 section and the HTMLInputElement interface

2008-05-14 Thread Darin Adler
On May 14, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Samuel Santos wrote: On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 12:11 AM, Samuel Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I propose is to add a new attribute to the input element like this: attribute DOMString browseText; this allows us developers to change the

Re: [whatwg] Review of the 3.16 section and the HTMLInputElementinterface

2008-05-14 Thread Křištof Želechovski
I do not feel like having the file submission control styled and customized in any way; submitting a file poses a serious security and privacy risk so I would not like to see this control disguised as something else. Just like an alert window title, it should have a consistent look for all

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5

2008-05-14 Thread Křištof Želechovski
converse is more an adjective like opposite to me. Which is even more awkward. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smylers Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 2:12 PM To: whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Subject: Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5 Karl

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5

2008-05-14 Thread Křištof Želechovski
Commands typed at a computer prompt do form a conversation between the commander and the executor (if the executor responds - otherwise it is good old CODE). On the other hand, a speech is closer to a monologue (soliloquy). Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5 - dialog

2008-05-14 Thread fantasai
Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 13 May 2008, Zachary Carter wrote: FWIW, in my first encounter with HTML5 dialog I assumed it meant a dialog box. This might be due to my experience with the dialog element in XUL[1], which is used for that. Also, dialog boxes are generally more common from my

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5 - dialog

2008-05-14 Thread Scott Hess
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:37 AM, fantasai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 13 May 2008, Zachary Carter wrote: FWIW, in my first encounter with HTML5 dialog I assumed it meant a dialog box. This might be due to my experience with the dialog element in XUL[1], which is used

Re: [whatwg] Inconsistency with the Pick a Media Resource Algorithm

2008-05-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007, Lachlan Hunt wrote: Just after the algorithm for picking a media resource, there's a note that states: | A source element with no src attribute is assumed to be the last | source element — any source elements after it are ignored (and are | invalid). However, that

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5 - dialog

2008-05-14 Thread Charles
My personal favorite alternate suggestion so far has been cl. throat-warbler-mangrove, anyone? Of course it's not pronounced that way. - Charles

Re: [whatwg] Review of the 3.16 section and the HTMLInputElementinterface

2008-05-14 Thread Samuel Santos
I don't think this is a valid argument since you can change it anyway [1]. [1] http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/inputfile.html Samuel 2008/5/14 Křištof Želechovski [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I do not feel like having the file submission control styled and customized in any way; submitting a file

Re: [whatwg] Video, Closed Captions, and Audio Description Tracks

2008-05-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, John Foliot wrote: [...] Full text transcripts external to their media extends the shelf life of videos beyond what simple meta-data alone can provide. [...] While support for both external and embedded captioning might be of value, encouragement of the external

Re: [whatwg] Corrections for examples in section 3.14.10

2008-05-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007, Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves wrote: On the examples: Vorbis audio alone in Ogg container source src=audio.oga type=audio/ogg; codecs=vorbis Speex audio alone in Ogg container source src=audio.oga type=audio/ogg; codecs=speex This should be: Vorbis audio