On Tue, 10 Dec 2013, Ehsan Akhgari wrote:
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
It doesn't fire when a port's owner document is navigated away from,
because that would prevent the page from being bfcached, which we try
hard to avoid. For pages it's reasonably
On Wed, 11 Dec 2013, Ian Hickson wrote:
So my proposal to handle this would be to send another 'error' event,
basically any time you create a MessagePort that's entangled with
someone who has crashed already.
I've put this in the spec for now.
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created, if it is created without a src= attribute, for example.
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problem, as described, is just we need to know when a remote port is
killed due to an OOM error. The event handler does this. Why do we need
to complicate it with two-way metadata messages to pin workers and so on?
I really don't understand what that gets us.
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that all those conditions would line up.
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/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24024
If any implementors want to implement this and thus would like this
specced, please do comment on the bug.
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is introduced by the
requirement that says the user agent must run the following steps.
See also:
http://whatwg.org/html#conformance-requirements
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(suggesting there's no compat need, and
likely no obvious security need), I've left the spec as-is for now.
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On Tue, 26 Nov 2013, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
On 11/26/13 5:50 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
But the image inside this image would also be loaded as basic fetch
tainted cross origin. Right?
That's up to SVG.
Note that Gecko has serious security concerns with allowing subresource
loads like
On Tue, 1 Oct 2013, Ehsan Akhgari wrote:
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Tue, 1 Oct 2013, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
On 10/1/13 12:58 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
If the browser crashes, it's not going to be able to send messages
anyway
This concept
of non-conforming content here anyway.)
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Or, we could have a form element pointer stack that parallels the
template stack.
I guess the latter is best for authors. How do implementors feel about
adding a new stack for the template stuff?
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be first).
Comments don't seem to quite fit as an aside or section
Why would they not fit in section? They're in the comments section.
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could list which of the
standard pseudos each default binding is expected to expose, and then
authors could style subparts of standard controls easily.
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On Tue, 3 Dec 2013, Ryosuke Niwa wrote:
On Dec 3, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Tue, 3 Dec 2013, Ryosuke Niwa wrote:
On Dec 3, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Adam Barth aba...@eecs.berkeley.edu
wrote:
Do we really need a stack? Can't we set the form element pointer
control with just a text control that pops up a spinner,
in which case the ::button wouldn't match anything.
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Things that are impossible just take
for reading single files, is
not necessarily easy to extrapolate to read+write rights to filesystems.)
Anyway, I would recommend taking this up with the people already working
on this in public-webapps.
On Tue, 15 Oct 2013, Cameron Jones wrote:
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'mixed'.
I would be very dubious about any hand-rolled crypto being secure.
Either browsers can ship with a whitelist, or extend the subprotocol
argument in the Websocket ctor to specify that the protocol is secure.
Why wouldn't people lie just to get around making things secure?
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(Sorry for marking them editorial instead of normative.)
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inside links, as in a:focus img.
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; in fact that might be sufficient because when the template is
cloned, all the special associations are lost anyway, IIRC. So the form
element pointer would be useless anyway in the template on the long run.
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.
That's not actually possible in many cases. Some Web APIs (e.g. channel
messaging) are exclusively async, even in workers.
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the data at the rate that
the client is receiving it, which is (presumably) the rate the server is
generating it. Just buffering doesn't help.
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On Tue, 3 Dec 2013, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
The real fix is to allow styling formcontrols. It's one of the most
requested features from web developers, yet no one has taken the time
to research what it would take to do
) scrollbox UI. This part was
never very well developed though since the core of XBL2 was never picked
up. But I think the same approach should probably still work with the
newer Web components work, no? It needs to be specified and implemented...
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On Thu, 26 Sep 2013, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
2013-09-26 21:41, Ian Hickson wrote:
There's a lot of output examples in the spec; do they help at all?
There are indeed several examples, but they are scattered around; the
section that specifically deals with the output element, 4.10.15
for doing such things. Not sure what the right spec would be for
that. Anyone?
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, the
complexity becomes astronomically high very quickly.
But I'm all in favour of conformance checkers checking these things as
much as possible.
On the other hand, a JS console can reasonably report parse errors from
script, so the parse errors are still worthwhile to have.
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after? Does the event fire
before or after the timeout?
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or not. It might be best to keep them orthogonal, so browser
controls are always UI controls that don't generate click events at all.
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013, Simon Pieters wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 01:35:00 +0200, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
True, but there _is_ something now that says
security origin?
Anne answered the Fetch side of this; on the HTML side, I'm happy to
invoke a hook if SVG provides one.
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2013, Ian Hickson wrote:
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013, Ian Hickson wrote:
It would be nice to fix these all at once, and I think we can, by
introducing a configuration option on getContext(), in the style of
WebGL:
getContext('2d', { density: 'autosize
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013, Ruben Rodriguez II wrote:
On 09/05/2013 05:22 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
Not always, only if you don't draw the line aligned with the pixel
grid (e.g. you draw a diagonal line, or a horizontal or vertical line
that isn't centered in the middle of pixels on the pixels
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
On 11/22/13 9:41 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
Sure, options are replaced elements either.
You mean aren't?
Right. They have nothing to do with CSS.
Except in UAs where they seem to be, right?
They aren't replaced elements, by the CSS definition in any
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
On 11/24/13 8:12 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
On 11/22/13 9:41 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
Sure, options are replaced elements either.
You mean aren't?
Right. They have nothing to do with CSS
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
On 11/24/13 10:27 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
(That's non-conforming, as far as I can tell, for what it's worth. The
HTML spec says you're supposed to render elements according to what
they represent, and option elements represent an option in a select
clone algorithm? (All that's needed is a hook
that takes a value, and returns a new value that's a clone of the first,
with a different realm, if I understand it right.)
I've filed this bug to track this:
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23892
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On Thu, 5 Sep 2013, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
On 9/5/13 4:47 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
In what sense?
In the sense that if its computed display is block but its layout
behavior is not that of a non-replaced block (CSS 2.1 section 10.3.3 and
so forth), then it's clearly a replaced element
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
On 11/22/13 6:00 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
Hm, it's true that buttons do seem exceedingly eager to remain
inline-block-esque even when set to more block-like display types.
Or when set to display:inline, for that matter.
The definition above
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
On 11/22/13 8:44 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
selects aren't rendered according to the CSS in the way that
button contents are. Consider:
http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/2654
OK, but consider
http
/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2012Aug/0070.html
Search for multi-element for the specific response to proposals that
involve multiple elements.
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shipped it. Changing it now seems like a poor time to change it.
...but, if you won't ship it, maybe we need to change it after all? Would
Apple ship a different name? What are Mozilla's opinions?
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coming
up with even more elaborate mechanisms.
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complicated endeavour and would be really ugly. template
provides a tool with which you can build specific solutions, but isn't
itself a direct solution.
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the viewport height).
That's an interesting idea, but I'm not convinced it's the right answer.
Having the dialog move up and down when stuff is added at the bottom would
be quite weird. You can always implement this manually from script.
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I'm mistaken,
require some extra nodes lying around that we don't have with dialog.
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On Fri, 1 Nov 2013, Rik Cabanier wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Fri, 1 Nov 2013, Rik Cabanier wrote:
The latest Safari is shipping currentPath and Blink has implemented
it behind a runtime flag. Could we put this in the specification
it more powerful.
the proposal is for a new attribute on the 2d canvas rendering context:
attribute Path currentPath;
This attribute would give you a non-live/copy of the current path in device
space.
If it returns a copy, it should be a method.
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On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, Ian Hickson wrote:
Consider these three scenarios:
A. Page Alpha opens a shared worker, and they communicate using a pair of
MessagePorts. Alpha is navigated away, going to Beta in a different
origin. Later, the user hits back, and since Alpha is still
during a task, which
is just crazy). It's going to be changed to be async on a queued task like
fetch, once I revamp how it's specced, as per the aforementioned bug.
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On Fri, 25 Oct 2013, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
On 10/25/13 2:42 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
Step 17 (after going async) can jump back to step 8.
Ah, I see. That's pretty non-obvious. Can we restructure this somehow
to not have this random goto? That might help the understandability of
the spec
on walking the tree. Assuming most such
calls are not failing, that would give you pretty good performance (O(N)
on the depth of the subtree, more or less).
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On Wed, 4 Sep 2013, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
2013-09-04 0:09, Ian Hickson wrote:
To a user, even “(an image)” is better than lack of alt attribute
I disagree. The lack of an alt attribute can be used by user agents to
substitute the string (an image), in which case it is the same
changing to that if browsers are able to. I don't
think there's much of a problem either way; the advantage of the current
model is that it leaves no ambiguity in the API about what it means to set
an odd-length array.
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On Thu, 12 Sep 2013, Dominic Mazzoni wrote:
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013, Dominic Mazzoni wrote:
We've finished implementing drawSystemFocusRing and
drawCustomFocusRing in Chrome. Try it in Chrome 31 or higher (either
canary
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013, Rik Cabanier wrote:
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
Dramatically simplifying the situation here, we're saying that the
available options are:
A: All buggy applications fail to compile, because of static checking.
Cost to fix
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013, Rik Cabanier wrote:
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013, Rik Cabanier wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, Rik Cabanier wrote:
The current path APIs suffer from conflating path segments and
geometry. To fix
On Fri, 20 Sep 2013, Jürg Lehni wrote:
On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:32 , Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, Jürg Lehni wrote:
- Paper.js has its own share of classes, and one of them is called
Path. We normally run scoped but allow people to inject into the
global scope
for both images and canvases.
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On Tue, 15 Oct 2013, Rik Cabanier wrote:
at this point, should I file a bug on the dashing algorithm, or is the
email thread enough?
Do you prefer to track things with a bug or e-mail? Either is fine by me,
I just find it confusing when we have both.
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“To retain compatibility
with a non-web technology which was invented before you were born.”
Agreed.
In this case, if we add a feature in the future to control this, it'll be
moot -- all the various behaviours will be possible.
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such a link type
in the link type registry.
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versioning), greater flexibility over payload binding and the ability to
avoid using cookies for session continuation.
Can you elaborate? What are the end-user use cases that this proposal
would enable, that are not possible today?
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going with input type=file accept=image/* for now, and
seeing where that gets us. We can always add attributes or an API if
there's a real need for more control.
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, to aid scripts doing localisation
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23512
Expose the user's preferred languages in a DOM API
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23517
Cross-origin seamless iframes
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23513
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API to expose locale-specific settings
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22679
API to expose actual language of a node, to aid scripts doing
localisation and CJK editors during copypaste and dragdrop
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23512
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On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013, Benjamin Smedberg wrote:
For now I intend to focus on implementing the scanning UI in the
browser and just handing the site the final product. Any thoughts
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013, Rick Waldron wrote:
Does providing a means to scan-to-the-web make web developers a new group
for patent trolls to target?
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/01/scanning-documents-patent-trolls-want-you-pay
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though. What about curves?
Curves are lines too. The spec uses the term path, though.
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not putting authors first, but are
instead putting spec purity first.
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for most things!
For selectors, I recommend posting to the www-st...@w3.org mailing list.
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no spec has done afaik) or you give
examples (like
https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/graphicsimaging/conceptual/drawingwithquartz2d/dq_paths/dq_paths.html
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Or you can give prose that describes it unambiguously, which I believe is
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On Thu, 10 Oct 2013, Rik Cabanier wrote:
Dean, Roc, Justin,
would you change Canvas' stroking behavior so it no longer matches SVG
and CSS and your underlying graphics libraries?
Where does CSS define dashing?
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On Thu, 10 Oct 2013, Justin Novosad wrote:
You can't specify a dash pattern AFAIK, but there is border-style:
dashed
Generally speaking, that works more like what you're proposing than what
Rik is proposing or what I'm proposing, though.
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On Thu, 10 Oct 2013, Rik Cabanier wrote:
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013, Rik Cabanier wrote:
If you draw a rect with dashes today, the dashing will be
applied normally. Justin wants to change this behavior so we
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013, Justin Novosad wrote:
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013, Rik Cabanier wrote:
setLineDash([30]);
rect(10, 10, 100, 100);
rect(10, 110, 100, 100);
rect(10, 210, 100, 100);
stroke();
These rectangles
.
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2013, Rik Cabanier wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
The idea here is that this line:
--
...would result in this dash (assuming equally spaced on-off):
--- --- --- --- ---
...while
semantics that HTML has:
http://whatwg.org/html/#event-handler-content-attributes
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capability grants,
which can get vended like candy.
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On Tue, 1 Oct 2013, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
On 10/1/13 12:58 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
If the browser crashes, it's not going to be able to send messages
anyway
This concept of the browser...
The situation being considered here is that you have two web pages in
two different OS-level
On Tue, 1 Oct 2013, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
On 10/1/13 1:45 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
Crashing is non-conforming.
That's not useful.
Hence the smiley.
How often are we really expecting one tab to be talking to another
tab, and then that tab crashes, and the author was able to prepare
understand how this would solve the problem. You'd still end up resuming
the parser after document.open() nukes the Document, leading to the script
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On Thu, 29 Aug 2013, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013, Jonathan Watt wrote:
I'm working on Mozilla's
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013, Tom Wiltzius wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Thu, 5 Sep 2013, Tom Wiltzius wrote:
Meanwhile this doesn't change the other Canvas2D-related work
ongoing in the Chromium project, so we're still keen to see some new
of the path is visible, if that object is focused. The
drawFocusRing spec would be modified to specify that scrolling the
viewport is part of the spec, too.
How would this differ from scrollPathIntoView() ?
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don't understand what the problem is with the current API, but I agree
that if it's broken it should be fixed.
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On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Justin Novosad wrote:
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013, Justin Novosad wrote:
This is a really simple proposal to add support for text decorations
in 2D canvas contexts.
IDL to add to interface
On Thu, 5 Sep 2013, Rik Cabanier wrote:
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013, Rik Cabanier wrote:
I was wondering if this is something that happens in Flash as well.
It turns out that there's an option called hinting: Keep stroke
haven't added canvas
text decoration APIs, which have been raised as something Chrome might
implement, as discussed in my last e-mail to this list. The alpha
parameter, though, needs speccing, I just haven't gotten around to it
yet -- it's on my list though.)
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2013, Rik Cabanier wrote:
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
So my understanding is that the reason this feature failed is that
there's existing content that assumes a 1:1 ratio, and having an
automatic high-density mode was making some pages
On Thu, 5 Sep 2013, Benoit Jacob wrote:
2013/9/3 Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch
The long and short of this is that I renamed supportsContext() to
probablySupportsContext(). It's already implemented in WebKit
And that's the real cost of having accepted supportsContext too early in
the HTML
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013, Rik Cabanier wrote:
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Thu, 5 Sep 2013, Rik Cabanier wrote:
we've looked over the algorithm in the Canvas spec that describes
how strokes are computed. [1] We think that this section is making
guess. I meant more actual calculations rather than just lookups, but
lookups can be the results of user action, so...
There's a lot of output examples in the spec; do they help at all?
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On Mon, 26 Aug 2013, Matt Falkenhagen wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013, Matt Falkenhagen wrote:
3. For centering
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