Re: [whatwg] Element name expressiveness

2006-11-01 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 08:56:05 +0100, Michael(tm) Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the design criteria were to try to keep names of new elements reasonably short while still having unobscure meanings, then time and term would seem to meet that criteria, and m would better be mark. But I'm not

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-11-01 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Matthew Raymond wrote: The element grouplabel gives the label for the group. That's similar to the label group= idea I posted. True, but it eliminates the need for an |info| attribute on every element. Oops. Those info attributes were a copy and paste error. They should have been

Re: [whatwg] Video (Was: How not to fix HTML)

2006-11-01 Thread Christoph Päper
*Ian Hickson*, 2006-10-30: Sure. FWIW, there's a lot of interest in browser vendors about introducing a video element or some such (or maybe making browsers natively support video in object, or both). I think it would be helpful to /explicitly/ allow content types (alias media types)

Re: [whatwg] Joe Clark's Criticisms of the WHATWG and HTML 5

2006-11-01 Thread Christoph Päper
*Henri Sivonen*, 2006-10-29: http://blog.fawny.org/2006/10/28/tbl-html/ * HTML has samp, var, and kbd. I use all of them and I am pretty much the only one who does. FWIW, I think samp and kbd don't deserve to be in HTML and I am not convinced that the use cases for var could not be

Re: [whatwg] Joe Clark's Criticisms of the WHATWG and HTML 5

2006-11-01 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello,On 11/1/06, James Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:24:17 +0100, Christoph Päper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And HTML5 isn't that semantically pure anyway. Where can it be improved?To take a slight detour into the (hopefully not too) abstract, what

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-11-01 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Lachlan Hunt wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: Joe Clark wrote: http://blog.fawny.org/2006/10/28/tbl-html/ FYI, my response to that his here. http://lachy.id.au/log/2006/10/fixing-html Joe Clark has responed. http://lachy.id.au/log/2006/10/fixing-html#comment-713 His comment is copied here for

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-11-01 Thread Simon Pieters
Hi, From: Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe the issue is with the way screen readers handle existing forms. The problem is that each radio button or checkbox has it's own label, but the whole group is often associated with a single question and there is no way mark that up. e.g.

Re: [whatwg] Video (Was: How not to fix HTML)

2006-11-01 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello,On 11/1/06, Christoph Päper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Ian Hickson*, 2006-10-30: Sure. FWIW, there's a lot of interest in browser vendors about introducing a video element or some such (or maybe making browsers natively support video in object, or both).I think it would be helpful to

[whatwg] [HTML5] Editorial: 3.10.18. The |sup| and |sub| elements

2006-11-01 Thread Christoph Päper
The second to last example should probably better read: varE/var = varm/var · varcvarsup2/sup or maybe, as the speed of light is a constant, varE/var = varm/var · csup2/sup.

Re: [whatwg] Joe Clark's Criticisms of the WHATWG and HTML 5

2006-11-01 Thread James Graham
Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: To take a slight detour into the (hopefully not too) abstract, what do people think the fundamental point of semantics in HTML is? I'd say Machine readability. Sorry to be pedantic but what do you mean machine readable? All (conforming) HTML

[whatwg] Semantics in HTML (was: Re: Joe Clark's Criticisms of the WHATWG and HTML 5)

2006-11-01 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:55:58 +0100, James Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And HTML5 isn't that semantically pure anyway. Where can it be improved? To take a slight detour into the (hopefully not too) abstract, what do people think the fundamental point of semantics in HTML is? I've no

Re: [whatwg] Joe Clark's Criticisms of the WHATWG and HTML 5

2006-11-01 Thread Håkon Wium Lie
Also sprach James Graham: To take a slight detour into the (hopefully not too) abstract, what do people think the fundamental point of semantics in HTML is? To keep HTML high enough on the ladder of abstraction [1] to remain a media-independent markup language. [1]

Re: [whatwg] Semantics in HTML

2006-11-01 Thread James Graham
Anne van Kesteren wrote: [...] I also don't know which view best fits my position because I don't really understand what people are trying to achieve with (the markup in) HTML -- I think there are things I would change in the current draft, but there seems little point talking about which

[whatwg] XHTML5 DOM building and IDness

2006-11-01 Thread Henri Sivonen
The spec says: The rules for parsing XML documents (and thus XHTML documents) into DOM trees are covered by the XML and Namespaces in XML specifications, and are out of scope of this specification. However, the spec says the following about the id attribute: If the value is not the empty

Re: [whatwg] XMLHttpRequest connection limit

2006-11-01 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello,I think we're starting to see some of the limits of HTTP being hit.Personally, I'd like to a protocol which allows communication in both ways.HTTP 1.2? XMPP/Jabber? Something else? See yaOn 11/1/06, Ted Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ajax applications often make use of multiple

Re: [whatwg] [HTML5] 3.10.9. The |abbr| element

2006-11-01 Thread Jonathan Worent
--- Christoph Päper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off I think the requirement for a |title| is too strict, because there are time and space saving abbreviations everyone knows -- i.e. either their expansion or their meaning -- that do not need an expansion, e.g. e.g. or AIDS.

Re: [whatwg] caption (was: How not to fix HTML)

2006-11-01 Thread Jonathan Worent
--- Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: Joe Clark wrote: http://blog.fawny.org/2006/10/28/tbl-html/ FYI, my response to that his here. http://lachy.id.au/log/2006/10/fixing-html Joe Clark has responed.

Re: [whatwg] [HTML5] 3.10.9. The |abbr| element

2006-11-01 Thread Michel Fortin
Le 1 nov. 2006 à 21:44, Jonathan Worent a écrit : I disagree. There is never a guarantee that people will know what an abbreviation stands for, I know what AIDS is but not what it stands for. Also accessing the title information is optional. If the user knows what the abbreviation stands

Re: [whatwg] caption (was: How not to fix HTML)

2006-11-01 Thread Michel Fortin
Le 1 nov. 2006 à 22:01, Jonathan Worent a écrit : I think this is a good idea. Caption could be used with just about any embedded content. Taking cues form the label element for forms you could either make the association explicit by wrapping the caption around the element its captioning