Re: [whatwg] CENTER, MENU, DIR, NL; Re: Presentational elements in Web Applications 1.0

2007-11-01 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Keryx Web wrote: I use it sometimes for a very small form, where I think p or hx is inappropriate and fieldset is overkill. As in form action=login.php method=post div label for=unameUsername:/label input type=text name=uname id=uname /div div

Re: [whatwg] CENTER, MENU, DIR, NL; Re: Presentational elements in Web Applications 1.0

2007-11-01 Thread Keryx Web
Ian Hickson is reading his mail so fast this almost feels like IM ;-) Why is p inappropriate? According to HTML5, it's exactly the element you want, in fact. a) To my linguistic senses that's not a paragraph b) I've seen several people use the div-element (like it or not). Should all their

Re: [whatwg] CENTER, MENU, DIR, NL; Re: Presentational elements in Web Applications 1.0

2007-11-01 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Oct 30, 2007, at 4:33 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: ... On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: ... Authors should use presentational markup whenever there is no available semantic markup for the relevant meaning, or when they are providing authoring facilities for people who cannot be

Re: [whatwg] CENTER, MENU, DIR, NL

2006-01-18 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: Either div is going to be in HTML 5 but has yet to be specified (like object), or it's not going to be in HTML 5 but is incorrectly used in some examples. If the latter, that will make certain the semantic-free fates of section and p. AIUI, HTML 5 will inherit

Re: [whatwg] CENTER, MENU, DIR, NL

2006-01-17 Thread Eugene T.S. Wong
Hi all. I forgot who asked for real world examples of using CENTER. I think that it might have been Anne, but unfortunately, I deleted the email already, and thus can't reply to it. Here is an example that I'm working on now. I'm trying to make a flyer/brochure to hand out to businesses

Re: [whatwg] CENTER, MENU, DIR, NL

2006-01-17 Thread Simon Pieters
Hi, From: Eugene T.S. Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] CENTERMarketing Opportunity/CENTER [...] The example is overkill to demonstrate just 1 line of code, but I want to strongly emphasize through demonstration that CENTER is used very sparingly and only on specific locations. In this case, it is

Re: [whatwg] CENTER, MENU, DIR, NL

2006-01-17 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Quoting Eugene T.S. Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: DIV is no more semantic that I, B, or CENTER, yet they have their uses. snip You snipped the part about div not being in the proposal for HTML5 which is pretty important imho. I believe that they are useful for visual user agents, in that we

Re: [whatwg] CENTER, MENU, DIR, NL

2006-01-17 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Quoting Eugene T.S. Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I forgot who asked for real world examples of using CENTER. I think that it might have been Anne, but unfortunately, I deleted the email already, and thus can't reply to it. I asked for a definition. Anyway, you can find who asked you here:

Re: [whatwg] CENTER, MENU, DIR, NL

2006-01-17 Thread James Graham
Eugene T.S. Wong wrote: Hi all. Here is an example that I'm working on now. I'm trying to make a flyer/brochure to hand out to businesses after talking to them. I hope that they will consider giving me merchandise to use as prizes for a poker club that I'm trying to start. There is

Re: [whatwg] CENTER, MENU, DIR, NL

2006-01-17 Thread Jasper Bryant-Greene
On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 11:29 -0800, Eugene T.S. Wong wrote: You were talking about consistency with XHTML. Yet there has been no recommendation or standard (whatever you prefer) that contains such an element so the argument is bogus. Doesn't this count for something?

Re: [whatwg] CENTER, MENU, DIR, NL

2006-01-16 Thread Eugene T.S. Wong
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:18:46 -0800, Anne van Kesteren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Eugene T.S. Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: DIV is no more semantic that I, B, or CENTER, yet they have their uses. snip I believe that they are useful for visual user agents, in that we don't have to