[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Tgr updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T166094 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Tgr Cc: TheDJ, Chidgk1, El_Grafo, Metamorforme42, SyntaxTerror, Nikki, DrMel, Sdkb, Base, FRomeo_WMF, Multichill,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Tgr added a comment. Filed T325944: Use a multlingual Wikibase property for storing alt text on Commons for eventually replacing with a multilingual property. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T166094 EMAIL PREFERENCES

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

KH32 added a comment. Restricted Application added a project: User-ItamarWMDE. Hi Gergö, thank you very much! A very important step towards accessibilty. Happy Holidays:-) Karsten Am 26.12.22 um 01:02 schrieb Tgr: > View Task https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T166094

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Tgr closed this task as "Resolved". Tgr claimed this task. Tgr added a comment. The Wikidata property proposal was accepted: P11265 (alt text) . Note that pending T86517: [Story] Add a new datatype for multilingual text

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Ainali added a comment. In T166094#8310375 , @TheDJ wrote: > I have some other points that should be taken into consideration > > 2. Review... In much the same way as default content from wikidata was a problem for en.wp, I suspect

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Pigsonthewing added a comment. In T166094#8310429 , @El_Grafo wrote: > In T166094#8307437 , @Pigsonthewing wrote: > >> In T166094#8202790

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

El_Grafo added a comment. In T166094#8310375 , @TheDJ wrote: > I have some other points that should be taken into consideration > > 1. Having a default alt tag, will increase the size of an img transclusion on pages, which seems

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

El_Grafo added a comment. In T166094#8307437 , @Pigsonthewing wrote: > In T166094#8202790 , @El_Grafo wrote: > >> > > > >> 1. "Alt text is context dependent" - that

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

TheDJ added a comment. I have some other points that should be taken into consideration 1. Having a default alt tag, will increase the size of an img transclusion on pages, which seems something to keep an eye on. 2. Review... In much the same way as default content from wikidata was a

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Pigsonthewing added a comment. In T166094#8309427 , @Ainali wrote: > In T166094#8307437 , @Pigsonthewing wrote: > >> In T166094#8202790

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Ainali added a comment. In T166094#8307437 , @Pigsonthewing wrote: > In T166094#8202790 , @El_Grafo wrote: > >> > > > >> 1. "Alt text is context dependent" - that shouldn't

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Pigsonthewing added a comment. The parenthetical part of this extract from the task description: > There should be a way to provide a default alt text that can be used automatically when there is no better, context-specific alt text (for example in search results, compare T320299

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Pigsonthewing added a comment. In T166094#8192634 , @Chidgk1 wrote: > > I have been asked to add alt text as for an article I nominated as "good" on English Wikipedia. > > ...is there an easy way I can find out whether

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Pigsonthewing added a comment. In T166094#8202790 , @El_Grafo wrote: > > 1. "Alt text is context dependent" - that shouldn't keep us from //offering// general purpose //default// alt texts like "a basket full of mushrooms

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

El_Grafo updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T166094 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: El_Grafo Cc: Chidgk1, El_Grafo, Metamorforme42, SyntaxTerror, Nikki, DrMel, Sdkb, Base, FRomeo_WMF,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

El_Grafo updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T166094 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: El_Grafo Cc: Chidgk1, El_Grafo, Metamorforme42, SyntaxTerror, Nikki, DrMel, Sdkb, Base, FRomeo_WMF,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

El_Grafo updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T166094 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: El_Grafo Cc: Chidgk1, El_Grafo, Metamorforme42, SyntaxTerror, Nikki, DrMel, Sdkb, Base, FRomeo_WMF,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

El_Grafo added a comment. In T166094#8166800 , @Pigsonthewing wrote: > There were several significant, detailed objections, which were not refuted. When I wrote "positive response" I meant that people at Commons //in principle//

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Chidgk1 added a comment. Request for temporary workaround. I have been asked to add alt text as for an article I nominated as "good" on English Wikipedia. Whilst we are waiting for this is there any workaround? For example is there an easy way I can find out whether an image

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Pigsonthewing added a comment. In T166094#8165758 , @El_Grafo wrote: > > I think that's a pretty positive response over all. There were several significant, detailed objections, which were not refuted. It was not a

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

El_Grafo added a comment. Village pump proposal now archived here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Proposals/Archive/2022/05#Adding_alt_texts_through_structured_data The proposal was not quite as clear as it could have been, which probably cost some votes, but I

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Izno merged a task: T312719: Alternative text for images directly on Commons, viewable on Wikipedia. Izno added a subscriber: SyntaxTerror. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T166094 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Izno

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Nikki added a comment. Third property proposal that was created in February 2021 (still unresolved) - https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/alt_text Discussion on Commons from May 2022 -

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Conny added a comment. In T166094#6878399 , @FRomeo_WMF wrote: > We're thinking of organizing a workshop on this topic, with accessibility consultants, people with lived experience, the WikiBlind user group, and anyone else who is

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Abbe98 added a comment. From my perspective, there could be more than one alt-text per image and language in the SDC data. It would then be up to consumers to select which alt-text they would like to use. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T166094 EMAIL PREFERENCES

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Tgr added a comment. Not a great solution though - it would be pretty confusing to have a description structured data field and a description template field, with completely different semantics. The obvious role for the description field would be to be a plaintext equivalent of the

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Ainali added a comment. In T166094#6880079 , @Multichill wrote: > You don't understand. The description array is empty for *every* file on Commons. It's not used at all. So if we technically need a place to store this in a multilingual

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Multichill added a comment. In T166094#6878436 , @Ainali wrote: > In T166094#6878327 , @Multichill wrote: > >> No we don't, captions are just labels, see

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Ainali added a comment. In T166094#6878327 , @Multichill wrote: > No we don't, captions are just labels, see https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/M96527.json . Description is currently unused in SDOC. Well,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

KH32 added a comment. Yes absolutely! TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T166094 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: KH32 Cc: FRomeo_WMF, Multichill, CBogen, Conny, putnik, KH32, Ainali, Michael, Abbe98, Pigsonthewing,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

FRomeo_WMF added a comment. We're thinking of organizing a workshop on this topic, with accessibility consultants, people with lived experience, the WikiBlind user group, and anyone else who is interested. Does that seem like a useful way to explore these questions? TASK DETAIL

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Multichill added a comment. In T166094#6877045 , @Ainali wrote: > Well, then we need a new field for the caption. They are not meant to solve the same problem and should almost always be different from each other. So for every image

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Ainali added a comment. Well, then we need a new field for the caption. They are not meant to solve the same problem and should almost always be different from each other. So for every image it would be very useful with two separate text fields. TASK DETAIL

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

Multichill added a comment. Why are we not using the description field for this? Seems more sensible to me than creating new properties TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T166094 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To:

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T166094: Allow editors to provide default alt text on Wikimedia Commons file description pages

LucasWerkmeister updated the task description. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T166094 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: LucasWerkmeister Cc: Ainali, Michael, Abbe98, Pigsonthewing, Bugreporter, Tgr, Dvorapa, thiemowmde,