On Sat, 3 Dec 2011, Steve Summit wrote:
Summary: Demi Moore, in a tweet but verified as being her, says that her own
birth name is Demi. Wikipedians do not want to use this statement because
the reliable sources say otherwise.
And, per that talk page, they've got some pretty darn good
On Sat, 3 Dec 2011, Steve Summit wrote:
Summary: Demi Moore, in a tweet but verified as being her, says that
her own
birth name is Demi. Wikipedians do not want to use this statement
because
the reliable sources say otherwise.
And, per that talk page, they've got some pretty darn good
Exactly right.
And the issue is further confounded/compounded by the medium that
the alleged new source was reported in. Even if Demi Moore is
perfectly reliable on the truth surrounding her birth name,
common sense tells you that a 140-character tweet (or two) is not
the sort of place where you
Ummm... common sense says that if someone says what their birth name is,
about 50 years after they were born, when decades of documentation --
including interviews -- says something different, that someone is making
up the new info.
Either Demi Moore was incorrect in 1996, or she is incorrect
On Mon, 5 Dec 2011, Steve Summit wrote:
Even if Demi Moore is
perfectly reliable on the truth surrounding her birth name,
common sense tells you that a 140-character tweet (or two) is not
the sort of place where you can make nuanced distinctions between
I was born Demi, which is to say,
Ken Arromdee: wrote:
On Mon, 5 Dec 2011, Steve Summit wrote:
Even if Demi Moore is
perfectly reliable on the truth surrounding her birth name,
common sense tells you that a 140-character tweet (or two) is not
the sort of place where you can make nuanced distinctions...
The trouble with this
...more reliable than Demi Moore herself.
Such a conclusion is nonsense.
To take a personal example, no amount of examination of my birth
certificate, or publication of its contents, is going to result in me
changing my name to what it says.
Fred
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...more reliable than Demi Moore herself.
Such a conclusion is nonsense.
To take
The question isn't so much what her name currently it, but what it was
on the day she was born. On the other hand, treating IMDB and People
Magazine as reliable sources is laughable. Where do you think they got
their information? I have a hard time picturing them filing a FOIA for
her birth
Um, People Magazine got their information from an interview with Demi
Moore.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
The question isn't so much what her name currently it, but what it was
on the day she was born. On the other hand, treating IMDB and People
Magazine as
Also, you can't FOIA birth certificates.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
The question isn't so much what her name currently it, but what it was
on the day she was born. On the other hand, treating IMDB and People
Magazine as reliable sources is laughable. Where
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:19 PM, The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com wrote:
Also, you can't FOIA birth certificates.
That's not true as a blanket statement. Conventionally FOIA refers to
the federal open records law, but there are others (under many names,
including FOIA) at the state level in
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:19 PM, The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com
wrote:
Also, you can't FOIA birth certificates.
That's not true as a blanket statement. Conventionally FOIA refers to
the federal open records law, but there are others (under many names,
including FOIA) at the state level
Um, People Magazine got their information from an interview with Demi
Moore.
Heh, fact washed primary source.
Fred
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Another little tidbit for the common sense grist: While her mother was
still alive, Demi Moore stated her birth name was Demetria. Virginia Guynes
died in 1998.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
Um, People Magazine got their information from an interview
On 12/05/11 11:33 AM, Nathan wrote:
Having worked for several newspapers and, as a regular reader,
witnessed a mind-boggling array of errors in even the best and most
prestigious news outlets, I have a pretty healthy doubt for the
accuracy of any interview or news report. If you never read
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote:
Except for common sense.
Common sense says that if someone tells you what their birth name is, you
believe them, not something that's probably misinformation but which has
been multiply repeated.
Well, no. Common sense
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Carl (CBM) cbm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
ng that's probably misinformation but which has
been multiply repeated.
Well, no. Common sense here is that she changed her name and, in the
interests of keeping a consistent public image, has no interest in
promoting
On Mon, 5 Dec 2011, Nathan wrote:
Well, no. Common sense here is that she changed her name and, in the
interests of keeping a consistent public image, has no interest in
promoting the old one. Common sense is that the fact checkers at
People magazine double-checked the name they listed as her
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote:
Ah, but our verifiability/reliable sources policy says that we use secondary
sources because they do fact checking. This is a secondary source,
therefore
it must do fact checking. Considering whether the secondary source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Demi_Moore
Summary: Demi Moore, in a tweet but verified as being her, says that her own
birth name is Demi. Wikipedians do not want to use this statement because
the reliable sources say otherwise.
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Ken Arromdee wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Demi_Moore
Summary: Demi Moore, in a tweet but verified as being her, says that her own
birth name is Demi. Wikipedians do not want to use this statement because
the reliable sources say otherwise.
And, per that talk page, they've got
I've cleaned it up.
... and, it's been reverted back into its crufty revisionism. Good job,
Tenebrae.
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Steve Summit s...@eskimo.com wrote:
Ken Arromdee wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Demi_Moore
Summary: Demi Moore, in a tweet but verified as being
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