[Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread edward
There is also the article I wrote for the 'Other Place' here http://wikipediocracy.com/2014/05/04/the-sum-of-the-parts , also on the subject of indiscriminate copying and pasting from older reference sources. The point is that any study of Wikipedia article 'reliability' should be careful

[Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread edward
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:12 AM, geni geniice at gmail.com https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l wrote: / On 8 May 2014 01:00, Andreas Kolbe jayen466 at gmail.com https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l wrote: // // As for study design, I'd suggest you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, edward edw...@logicmuseum.com wrote: While academic attitudes to Wikipedia may be of some interest they are not a proxy for quality. I don't understand this. I'm not saying I disagree, I just don't understand. How would an attitude be a 'proxy' for quality?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread edward
Well personal bias is always potentially a problem. The Oxford study tried to avoid this by 'blind' review. They changed the format of the Britannica and the Wikipedia articles so it was not obvious which was which. The problem with the study, however, was that they did not realise one of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread edward
phoebe ayers Wed May 7 23:22:07 UTC 2014 And those peer review systems have lots and lots of problems as well as upsides. Nothing is perfect. The peer review system is definitely flawed. One flaw, actually, is that it is hard to find good reviewers. Once it took a year and a half. This is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread David Cuenca
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: In highly structured databases, adding properties that may be useful for your research and the work of others would require altering the structure itself, like adding a field, for example. That isn't easy, because the powers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Anthony Cole ahcole...@gmail.com wrote: Regarding expert review, Doc James has just announced that a version of Wikipedia's article Dengue fever has passed peer review and been accepted for publication by the journal Open Medicine. I think this is a special

[Wikimedia-l] Can't we simplify merge proposals?

2014-05-08 Thread Rui Correia
Can't we create a way that will simplify merge propsals into a simple 1-minute procedure? A template with: Merger [Quercitrin] into [Quercitin], Motivation [bla bla bla] that would automatically display the merge notice on all revelant pages? Best regards, Rui -- _ Rui

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread edward
On 08/05/2014 17:58, geni wrote: So while it is unlikely that a published journal article would be a complete hoax This is because they have a robust review process, which Wikipedia doesn't. Enough said. Please robustly define glaring. Glaring means obvious, in plain view, manifest etc. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can't we simplify merge proposals?

2014-05-08 Thread Pete Forsyth
This sounds like a good job for the kind of setup used on Commons, for instance, for deletion requests: a box (Javascript, I believe) shows up in the middle of the screen, with a text entry field, maybe some check-boxes (notify original creator, etc.) and then the script adds the appropriate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread George Herbert
I would like to make a couple of contradictory points... One, WMF and the editing communities should seek more, better *external* reviews with some preference ... What we ourselves find and decide about our content is less valuable than unbiased external reviews. That doesn't mean external

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread phoebe ayers
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 10:13 AM, edward edw...@logicmuseum.com wrote: On 08/05/2014 17:58, geni wrote: So while it is unlikely that a published journal article would be a complete hoax This is because they have a robust review process, which Wikipedia doesn't. Enough said. Geni did say

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread edward
By which I which I don't mean to say most literature is useless or a fraud: it's not! But it's also not a 100% black or white picture. -- phoebe The 'not perfect ' fallacy. Peer reviewed literature is not perfect Wikipedia is not perfect Ergo, Wikipedia is equally good as peer reviewed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread Anthony Cole
As Phoebe and (I think) Anne point out, there are many relevant aspects of quality. Readability, pertinence, neutrality, concision and comprehensiveness are all important factors but, when it comes to safety and efficacy claims in our medical articles, for me they pale into insignificance beside

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 May 2014 17:42, edward edw...@logicmuseum.com wrote: Geni: You seem to think its straightforward. If you think that you should be able to propose a study design. It is straightforward in my field. I have already studied most of the Wikipedia articles in that area, and they all contain

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 May 2014 19:27, Anthony Cole ahcole...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with those above who highlight the flaws in the current scholarly peer-review process. If enWikipedia is to embrace scholarly review (and we should) we need to confront and address the well-known problems with peer review in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread Wil Sinclair
Maybe the name of the thread should be changed, then. ,Wil On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:11 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 May 2014 17:42, edward edw...@logicmuseum.com wrote: Geni: You seem to think its straightforward. If you think that you should be able to propose a study

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread phoebe ayers
-- Forwarded message -- From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com Date: Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org On 8 May 2014 19:27, Anthony Cole ahcole...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread edward
On 08/05/2014 20:11, David Gerard wrote: Your area is philosophy, and an obscure area at that. My specialism covers the intellectual history of Western Europe from 400 CE to 1400 CE roughly. In the history of logic, right up to the late nineteenth century. If you remember, I wrote the first

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread Andrew Gray
On 8 May 2014 01:56, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: (However, this study does not seem to have been based on a random sample – at least I cannot find any mention of the sample selection method in the study's write-up. The selection of a random sample is key to any such effort, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread Asaf Bartov
I will just add that I agree [content] Quality is a strategic goal we have made little systematic progress on (much progress was made in sheer coverage, of course, e.g. via funding and support for content-centered initiatives such as writing and photo competitions). In the Grantmaking department,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread edward
On 08/05/2014 22:29, Andrew Gray wrote: Section 3.3 of the report covers article selection. They went about it backwards (at least, backwards to the way you might expect) - recruiting reviewers and then manually identifying relevant articles, as the original goal was to use relevant topics for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-05-08 Thread Samuel Klein
Hello, I began to write a new thread about spam control, then remembered this recent one on a similar topic. Integrating spam control more deeply into all of our tools and services - including particularly MediaWiki - is important for many audiences. Is there an overview of current anti-spam

[Wikimedia-l] FDC staff proposal assessments for 2013-2014 Round 2 are posted

2014-05-08 Thread FDC Support Team
Greetings, all: Staff proposal assessments have been posted on Meta for three proposals that were submitted in 2013-2014 Round 2. At the FDC's request, FDC staff have not published an assessment for the WMF proposal; however, an assessment of the WMF proposal has been published by WMDE. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Integrating spam control

2014-05-08 Thread MZMcBride
Samuel Klein wrote: Integrating spam control more deeply into all of our tools and services - including particularly MediaWiki - is important for many audiences. Many MediaWiki system administrators complain about the levels of spam that their small wikis receive. Any help in this area would

[Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-08 Thread Kevin Gorman
Hi all - This is a slightly unusual email for me, in that I'm wearing more hats than I usually do. I'm writing as a community member, but also as someone currently employed by one of the best public universities in the world in a department that is, at least in decent part, aimed at ensuring that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-08 Thread K. Peachey
Have you discussed this on commons, or just trying to bypass them? On Friday, May 9, 2014, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all - This is a slightly unusual email for me, in that I'm wearing more hats than I usually do. I'm writing as a community member, but also as someone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-08 Thread Kevin Gorman
There are multiple comments on Common's mainpage talk about this, as well as one at their administrator's noticeboard. As I mentioned in my first post, since Commons is a project that by its nature effects all other projects, I don't think discussion of this issue should be limited to those who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-08 Thread Benjamin Lees
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone articulate a valid reason why the freezeframe from the video posted on the frontpage was just about the most graphic still possible from the video? Presumably the person who set up the templates thought that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-08 Thread Pharos
Maybe a simple solution to this is just having more process for which still frame to use for any MOTD video. Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos) On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: Can