Re: [Wikimedia-l] NY Times on Google team dynamics/success research

Jordan, This is fantastic stuff. Thanks to you and to George for calling it to our attention. This is my reading for the night... Philippe On Monday, February 29, 2016, Jordan Adler wrote: > We've shared our findings here: https://rework.withgoogle.com/ > > On Sat, Feb 27,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

> Anne, I have mentioned several times in the past few days here on this list > Sue Gardner's 2008 email suggesting that the WMF enter into an "umbrella > relationship/agreement" or "business deal" with Google. In case you missed > it, here is the link again: > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

Dear Erik, Wikimovement veterans recall your invaluable assistance in arranging the 3 million grant from the Sloan Foundation to WMF, so reading your email, we also recall these quotes from the time of the Stanton Foundation fiasco ? [1] "The Executive Director and Chief Revenue Officer agree

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

On 1 Mar 2016, at 5:00 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > > 2016-02-29 19:24 GMT-08:00 Chris Sherlock : > >> With the greatest of respect, I'm not sure how could come to the conclusion >> that general >> Internet search was not a core component of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 19:24 GMT-08:00 Chris Sherlock : > With the greatest of respect, I'm not sure how could come to the conclusion > that general > Internet search was not a core component of the Knowledge Engine. It's important to remember that this is a $250K grant, with a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a *volunteer* organization

Hi Leigh In general there is always a transparent hierarchy and an untasparent one self organized following the real leaderships. Problems happen when the gap between both increases. In this case the real decisions are made in front of a coffee machine and not in the right places. The solution

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NY Times on Google team dynamics/success research

We've shared our findings here: https://rework.withgoogle.com/ On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 9:50 AM George Herbert wrote: > > Relevant to the discussion on Foundation issues... The NY Times reports > on Google's research into what made some teams succeed and some fail. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediauk-l] Free as in beer

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Richard Symonds wrote: > So... > > BrewDog, a Scotland-based "hipster brewery" - for want of a better phrase - > have just "open-sourced" their entire recipe collection. > > You can read more at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My posts going to spam

Please see: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/mail/email-service-providers-send-tofrom-yahoo-mail-addresses-sln24016.html for the explanation of the issue Richard. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My posts going to spam

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 4:48 AM, Michael Snow wrote: > On 2/29/2016 5:37 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote: >> >> I'm switching to this email address for posting, because apparently >> there is some kind of weird problem between yahoo and google such that >> gmail users see all or most

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My posts going to spam

On 2/29/2016 5:37 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote: I'm switching to this email address for posting, because apparently there is some kind of weird problem between yahoo and google such that gmail users see all or most of my messages in their SPAM folder. It's not just Google either. My provider uses

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

> On 1 Mar 2016, at 11:12 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: > > I think some people aren't realizing the difference between the leaked > presentation (which outlined a general search engine) and the actual grant. > The former was just an idea, while the latter is official. By my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Vendors and Transparency

On 2/29/16 6:15 PM, Richard Ames wrote: > 'Deals' and other 'preferential' arrangements can be easily avoided > The WMF can deal with others in public at competitive rates. > > If the vendor wishes to make donations to the WMF they can do so and > get a tax deduction! It wasn't a great

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

My understanding is that the Foundation purchases certain technical and apps services (cloud email, for instance) from Google. Cheers, Craig On 1 March 2016 at 12:15, Risker wrote: > > I cannot for the life of me imagine what Google sells that the WMF would be > interested

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

Dear Anne As a community member *I* am interested in knowing if WMF (or Jimmy) is selling to Google - or to anybody else ... like the Chinese.[1] David [1] http://wikipediasucks.boards.net/post/762 On 3/1/16, Risker wrote: > On 29 February 2016 at 20:43, Andreas Kolbe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

The thing that disturbs me more than anything else about a lot of recent events is the utter lack of transparency related to a lot of recent changes. To pick a tangential topic: WMF now has six employees dedicated to foundations and major gifts. I don't mean general fundraising employees, I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Risker wrote: > On 29 February 2016 at 19:10, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > > > > > No. You are either transparent and honest, or you are not. > > > > Andreas > > ___ > > > > Or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

I discussed with both James and Jimmy the choice of the word "unanimous". I'm satisfied with their responses. The BoT had a straw poll to make a decision about the leadership in November and the result of that poll may or may not have been unanimous (I'm fine with it being a straw poll at that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On 29 February 2016 at 20:43, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Risker wrote: > > > > > So please, let's stop pretending those two words mean the same thing. > > > > > They don't mean the same thing at all. But would you really

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a *volunteer* organization

Hi David, It would be even nicer if we have more editors editing voluntarily instead of driving them away. In the present scenario a University of Minnesota report by Aaron Halfaker says "The declining number of editors is not due to the site's inability to keep longtime editors contributing.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Risker wrote: > > So please, let's stop pretending those two words mean the same thing. > They don't mean the same thing at all. But would you really dispute the statement that WMF leaders should be both transparent AND honest?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WMCEE-l] Wikimedia Ukraine’s Board

Congrats and welcome all the board members. And obviously wish a very good luck for the coming days.. Regards, Nabin On Mar 1, 2016 6:44 AM, "Tito Dutta" wrote: > Welcome all, and all the best. :) > > On 1 March 2016 at 04:54, Asaf Bartov wrote: > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

If a board member mentions staff fear, you might ask if item 2 of the code of conduct [1] couldn't be rewritten so it's not a soviet-style catch-all that outlaws discussion about anything that happens within the WMF. Staff, if a board member mentions staff fear, you might ask if item 2 of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WMCEE-l] Wikimedia Ukraine’s Board

Congratulations on a successful General Assembly, welcome to the new board members, and thanks to the existing members for your continued service. I'm looking forward to working with you all! Thanks also to the departing members for your years of service. Nataliia, I also appreciated this helpful

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WMCEE-l] Wikimedia Ukraine’s Board

Welcome all, and all the best. :) On 1 March 2016 at 04:54, Asaf Bartov wrote: > Welcome, new board members, and thank you for your service, departing > members. > > And thank you, Nataliia, for taking the time to introduce them to folks who > haven't had the opportunity

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On 29 February 2016 at 19:10, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > No. You are either transparent and honest, or you are not. > > Andreas > ___ > Or you could be opaque but honest. "Honest" and "transparent" are not synonyms. There are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My posts going to spam

If you are using gmail, Set a rule that *@lists.wikimedia.org never go to the spam folder. (If you are using rule to label them, it can be done at the same time.) On 1 March 2016 at 09:48, SarahSV wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:10 PM, George Herbert

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

I think some people aren't realizing the difference between the leaked presentation (which outlined a general search engine) and the actual grant. The former was just an idea, while the latter is official. By my reading, the grant clearly is NOT for a general internet search engine, although it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Chris Keating wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > **To that end, the Board remains unanimously committed in > > our support of Lila in her role** and in her efforts to adapt her > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wmfall] Inspire Campaign on content curation & review launches today!

I just finished submitting two ideas that I'd like to advise. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Automated_good-faith_newcomer_detection Build and deploy a machine learning model for flagging newcomers who are editing in good-faith. This has the potential to mitigate some of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My posts going to spam

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:10 PM, George Herbert wrote: > > Just to confirm, all Jimmy's email in these threads were in my Gmail spam > folder when I looked. > > If you're using Gmail, go look at the spam folder and bring his messages > back in... > > That is why I asked

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > > James had gotten, from somewhere, the idea that there really was a > secret project to build a Google-competing search engine. We had a > discussion where I told him that wasn't right. We had further >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WMCEE-l] Wikimedia Ukraine’s Board

Welcome, new board members, and thank you for your service, departing members. And thank you, Nataliia, for taking the time to introduce them to folks who haven't had the opportunity to get to know them in person. A. On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:09 PM, attolippip wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chris Keating wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:58 PM, James Heilman wrote: >> > Regarding to Oliver's comment: "My concern is that when

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:58 PM, James Heilman wrote: > > Regarding to Oliver's comment: "My concern is that when staff reached out > > the Board replied with a letter indicating they had full and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My posts going to spam

Just to confirm, all Jimmy's email in these threads were in my Gmail spam folder when I looked. If you're using Gmail, go look at the spam folder and bring his messages back in... George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:37 AM, Jimmy Wales

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine’s Board

Dear all, I want formally introduce to you Wikimedia Ukraine’s Board, elected by our General Assembly on December 27, 2015. We can do it only now, as we have just recently successfully completed the requirements from our state to change the people responsible for the chapter officially [1].

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] A workshop on harassment

Lodewijk, thanks for the feedback! I'll reply on Meta ... On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > 'workshop' shouts to me that it is a real life, real time event that people > can register for, and attend (in person or remotely). The page

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

Similarly the following remark was made by Patricio at the all staff meeting in November: *"I want all of you know that the Board unanimously agreed to support our current leadership."* I would ask for the sake of the staff and community that a speedy and clear explanation of whatever vote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:58 PM, James Heilman wrote: > Regarding to Oliver's comment: "My concern is that when staff reached out > the Board replied with a letter indicating they had full and unanimous > confidence in our > leadership." > > This statement is not really true. We

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] A workshop on harassment

Hi Patrick, 'workshop' shouts to me that it is a real life, real time event that people can register for, and attend (in person or remotely). The page seems to suggest however (at a quick glance) that it is rather an online discussion forum. Maybe good to clarify that immediately at the top of

[Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

No, I am not making a general statement about what should go in the minutes. But in this case, the chair of the board (and others, I believe) have misrepresented things. I mentioned the vote (irrespective of whether I can prove it) as a piece of evidence that exists to prove the decision was not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 20:58 GMT+01:00 James Heilman : > Regarding to Oliver's comment: "My concern is that when staff reached out > the Board replied with a letter indicating they had full and unanimous > confidence in our > leadership." > > This statement is not really true. We had a

[Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

I have been sent a possible correction. When I had stated a "formal vote" had taken place some are of the position that this was simple a straw poll. Not sure if Geoff Brigham can clarify. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliate-selected Board seats] Christophe Henner candidacy

Hello all, Also, if there are questions you would like to see all candidates answering, please could you put them on this page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Questions Thanks, Chris (Election facilitator) On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Christophe Henner

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Help a Wikipedia & Commons volunteer raise funds for a new computer.

He deserves all help that we give to him, thanks for sharing this Mardetanha On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Natalia Szafran-Kozakowska < natalia.szaf...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all > > You probably know Jacek Halicki[1]. And even if you don't - you probably > have seen his pictures. Jacek has

[Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

Regarding to Oliver's comment: "My concern is that when staff reached out the Board replied with a letter indicating they had full and unanimous confidence in our leadership." This statement is not really true. We had a formal vote regarding the ED in November and it was not unanimous. The vote

[Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

@ Newyorkbrad I agree that nothing needs to be kept secret for my sake. I am have always been fully supportive of discussing the issue of board conduct and my removal. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com

[Wikimedia-l] My posts going to spam

I'm switching to this email address for posting, because apparently there is some kind of weird problem between yahoo and google such that gmail users see all or most of my messages in their SPAM folder. If you've asked me something and think that I didn't respond, I recommend looking there.

[Wikimedia-l] [Affiliate-selected Board seats] Christophe Henner candidacy

Hi everyone, A week ago I published my candidacy to the Affiliates-Selected Board Seats process : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Nominations/Christophe_Henner I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have, including (but not only) funny ones, on the talk

[Wikimedia-l] Help a Wikipedia & Commons volunteer raise funds for a new computer.

Hi all You probably know Jacek Halicki[1]. And even if you don't - you probably have seen his pictures. Jacek has contributed about 9000 photographs to Wikimedia Commons (many of them are Quality, Featured or Good Images). It was not easy for him - Jacek has a severe mobility impairment and is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Free as in beer

Le lun. 29 févr. 2016 à 9:19, Richard Symonds a écrit : I guess "free as in beer" has a slightly different meaning now! This is not the first time libre beer is made: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Beer ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2016 Strategic Approaches Report

Hello, Legoktm. :) I've copied your questions to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:2016_Strategy/Community_consultation and will make sure those are seen. I don't know if our consultant has an account on Wikimedia-L, and it'll probably be helpful to keep questions in that one central place.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > So my concern is not that you lost touch with staff. I don't > particularly care about any one person. My concern is that the *board* > did. My concern is that when staff reached out the Board replied with > a letter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 2/29/16 2:25 AM, Molly White wrote: >> Thank you for your reply, and I apologize for how late this one is. When >> I asked how you intend to speak with the Board of Trustees and with staff, I >> did not mean what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Jimmy Wales > wrote: > >> On 2/29/16 7:00 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: >> > A few days ago, Oliver Keyes said[1] here on this list that, even though >> he >> > had

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

> On 1 Mar 2016, at 3:09 AM, Nathan wrote: > > Jimmy - the limit is a "soft limit" of 30 posts per month. If someone goes > well over you might get an e-mail from Austin or another moderator to cut > back, but otherwise there is no need to ask for an exception. > > Chris

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediauk-l] Free as in beer

Well they definitely aren't adding either NC or ND, but they might be implying SA with all that sharing is caring stuff. You could ask before migrating to wiki source, my guess is they are choosing CC-BY-SA Regards Jonathan / WereSpielChequers > On 29 Feb 2016, at 15:19, Richard Symonds

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Andreas Kolbe > wrote: > > > Here is what I don't understand: both Dariusz and James have said that > they > > pushed hard for transparency and community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

Jimmy - the limit is a "soft limit" of 30 posts per month. If someone goes well over you might get an e-mail from Austin or another moderator to cut back, but otherwise there is no need to ask for an exception. Chris Sherlock - It is certainly not "unambiguous" what qualifies in that statute as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Here is what I don't understand: both Dariusz and James have said that they > pushed hard for transparency and community engagement about the project at > that time, and expressed concern that there hadn't been any. Do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Structuring revolution

On 2016-02-29 16:41, Milos Rancic wrote: I created the set of pages, starting with [1]. That's the place for structuring our ideas, thoughts etc. I decomposed the thread "What it means to be a high-tech organization" and I needed for the whole task ~5 hours. On the talk page [2] you can find

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

(People keep mentioning a post limit, and I'm sure I'm going to hit it. I'll see if someone can give me a temporary exception, but I also wanted to warn that I'm in back to back meetings for the next 3 days and intend to deliberately go quiet because of that. In the evenings, I plan to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > And there are things in the FAQs even today, like the plans for "public > curation or relevance",[1][2] that are of material interest to volunteers, > because they are the ones envisaged to be doing that work. > That

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > We went back and forth in pleasant emails discussing the situation and > as a part of that I said: "I am always in favor of more community > consultation." I went on to discuss a bit that I didn't think we were > at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

I agree as well. On Feb 29, 2016 06:00, "Jimmy Wales" wrote: > On 2/29/16 5:52 AM, Nathan wrote: > > There is a simple and easy way to rectify this: you and the other members > > of the board can honestly and fully describe the circumstances that led > you > > to eject

[Wikimedia-l] Structuring revolution

I created the set of pages, starting with [1]. That's the place for structuring our ideas, thoughts etc. I decomposed the thread "What it means to be a high-tech organization" and I needed for the whole task ~5 hours. On the talk page [2] you can find the manual how to help. [1]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

On 1 Mar 2016, at 2:00 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > > On 2/29/16 6:46 AM, Chris Sherlock wrote: >> Unfortunately though, the WMF very much did have internal documents >> that were positioning the WMF into building a search engine. In fact, >> it was a grand idea. But one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

I agree with Dariusz on this, and have 2 additional thoughts: 1. I'm not sure that Silicon Valley organizations as a whole are more secretive than many NGOs. Some are famously super secretive - Apple. Others are not really - Automattic (Wordpress). Some NGOs tend to be very controlling of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 2/29/16 7:00 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > A few days ago, Oliver Keyes said[1] here on this list that, even though > he > > had already quit his job, he was scared to share with people the content > of > > the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Do you believe the various non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement > clauses that staff have to sign to work at the WMF should be public? Will > you encourage staff to share their content, in the interests of >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a *volunteer* organization

James, I think it is very nice to put measures against paid editing, but it would be nicer to put measures to get editors more free time to edit voluntarily... There are not that many suggestions on how to do it, so it could be that it cannot be done. Cheers, Micru On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:14

[Wikimedia-l] Free as in beer

So... BrewDog, a Scotland-based "hipster brewery" - for want of a better phrase - have just "open-sourced" their entire recipe collection. You can read more at https://www.brewdog.com/lowdown/blog/diy-dog. It's not entirely clear what "licence" they're using but they say: *"copy them, tear

[Wikimedia-l] Meeting in Berlin (was: Executive transition planning)

Dear fellow Wikimedians, I have been closely following the developments of the previous weeks. A lot of things have been said, concerns and frustration have been raised, hope has been voiced, and many many questions have been brought up. It’s hard to keep up with all the voices on all the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

The KPIS is not only quantitave measures. For instance an anonymous survey may measure the level of satisfaction of people and it's more qualitative. The simplicity of KPIS is to agree (all parties) about the indicators and to cut off discussions about success/insuccess. Something can be a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

On 2/29/16 6:46 AM, Chris Sherlock wrote: > Unfortunately though, the WMF very much did have internal documents > that were positioning the WMF into building a search engine. In fact, > it was a grand idea. But one that was done in secret. James was not > wrong, and he wasn’t lying. You may not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On 2/29/16 7:00 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > A few days ago, Oliver Keyes said[1] here on this list that, even though he > had already quit his job, he was scared to share with people the content of > the non-disclosure agreement he had to sign as a WMF staff member. > > Do you believe the various

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

This is actually a fairly easy one to clear up. Basically, it’s the law. Under Fl. St. § 617.0808, which deals with the removal of directors, it clearly states that "Any director who is removed from the board is not eligible to stand for reelection until the next annual meeting at which

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > Intimidation about speaking up is a terrible and perverse thing to > happen in any organization. If that's a feeling that the organization > has had, I want to put forward the idea that it's over. If I were >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

On 29 February 2016 at 06:18, SarahSV wrote: > Everything Doc James has said so far appears to have been correct, based on > the information we have. > Ha, like those "Oh, I have done nothing wrong and no have no idea why I was removed" messages we heard for two weeks

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

This touches on matters beyond my scope of expertise. I didn't write that FAQ, and I am not an expert on legal terminology like "mismanagement" or "misconduct". I support that the board and legal team review the matter seriously and generously. All I'm saying is that if he is eligible, and if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

On 1 Mar 2016, at 12:36 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > In mid-October, before he emailed the board, James wrote me with a huge > misconception - that we had a secret project to build a Google competing > search engine. Of course we didn't have such a project We had a few >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

Hello Jimmy, Thank you for the note. I was wondering about the eligibility of James, because the page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/James_Heilman_removal_FAQ#Can_James_be_a_candidate_for_a_community-selected_seat_again.3F says: "Due to the removal from the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

Although there may be aspects of the Doc James situation that legitimately must, or at least should, stay private, I am sure more can be revealed than has been to date. Let me see if I can help with one aspect of the issue. One stated reason that information has not been forthcoming, has been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On 2/29/16 2:25 AM, Molly White wrote: > Thank you for your reply, and I apologize for how late this one is. When > I asked how you intend to speak with the Board of Trustees and with staff, I > did not mean what technical means you will use. It doesn't much matter to me > whether you speak with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

Nathan, as pretty much always, is correct. Everybody is tired of this mystery. I'm not blaming anybody - it's part of the unfortunate atmosphere of unnecessary secrecy, which plagued us for way too long. That's what creates the accusations and the wild rumors in all sides. We all have to fix it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

On 2/29/16 5:52 AM, Nathan wrote: > There is a simple and easy way to rectify this: you and the other members > of the board can honestly and fully describe the circumstances that led you > to eject Heilman from the board. I've seen lots of indirect and > non-specific claims from both sides; I

[Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

On Feb 29, 2016 3:13 AM, "Ilario Valdelli" > wrote: > > Hi, > in my opinion there is no need to differentiate and to clarify what > "high-tech" means. > > The real problem is to define the KPIs (key performance indicators) and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > > One of the things that someone asked me privately to discuss is what I > think of the possibility of James running for the board again. > > First, I have no opinion about whether or not he will be eligible at the >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Jimmy Wales' potential conflict of loyalties for Wikia Inc. versus WMF

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:35 AM, Fæ wrote: > > Ownership of Wikia is a relationship where loyalty will be perceived > by the public as questionable, and there may be indirect financial > gains, even though there is no traceable direct benefit. > > Fae, Is there any evidence

[Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

One of the things that someone asked me privately to discuss is what I think of the possibility of James running for the board again. First, I have no opinion about whether or not he will be eligible at the next election. That's a matter for people other than me to decide. I don't know.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

On 2/29/16 2:42 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Pete, > Can you help me figure out how Jimmy and the board could have "assumed" > that there was community discussion and consultation about the Knowledge > Engine project when James Heilman > > 1. had started a board discussion in mid-October

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

Hi, in my opinion there is no need to differentiate and to clarify what "high-tech" means. The real problem is to define the KPIs (key performance indicators) and a balanced relation of those indicators. A corporation can be a high-tech corporation and take care of the comfort of all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

Pete, According to his Signpost piece three weeks ago[1], James Heilman emailed the board in mid-October about the Knight Foundation grant to warn the board, and I quote – *"4) There is a serious lack of transparency around this new "sister project". This has not been discussed with our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Jimmy Wales' potential conflict of loyalties for Wikia Inc. versus WMF

After an offlist correspondence with Gergő, we agree it is quite hard to get to grips with the beginnings of Wikia unless you lived through it and casual interviews may be confusing.[1] This remains a tangent to the issue of whether ownership of Wikia is seen in the public eye as a conflict of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

Jimmy, Thank you for your reply, and I apologize for how late this one is. When I asked how you intend to speak with the Board of Trustees and with staff, I did not mean what technical means you will use. It doesn't much matter to me whether you speak with them in person, over email, over

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement representation vs WMF board reform

Dear Brion, thank you for starting this thread and for your caveats. Among the challenges when creating new movement entities, or organs, I think there are at least two which we have experienced in the past: a) A certain part of the Wikipedians has a very individualistic mind and may not want to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement representation vs WMF board reform

On Sunday, February 28, 2016, Pharos wrote: > Hi fellow Wikimedians, > > If we are seriously going to consider an expanded Community Council as an > alternative to WMF BoT reform, we need to have a real discussion about what > "devolution" would mean, and what