On 12.08.2014 21:41, Magnus Manske wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Henning Schlottmann h.schlottm...@gmx.net
wrote:
This is serious. WMF really needs to appreciate the expertise of the
author community and accept their experience a important and valid. If
authors tell the WMF and
Henning,
To describe Eric's action I am tempted to use a
metaphor that includes black uniforms and heavy boots. But that would
not be appropriately written by a German to a German.
You may find yourself very smart with this kind of wording. Let me
tell you from a North German to a North German:
Henning writes:
To describe Eric's action I am tempted to use a
metaphor that includes black uniforms and heavy boots. But that would
not be appropriately written by a German to a German.
My experience over the last quarter century suggests that this
metaphor rarely works out well.
--Mike
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote:
Henning writes:
To describe Eric's action I am tempted to use a
metaphor that includes black uniforms and heavy boots. But that would
not be appropriately written by a German to a German.
My experience over the last
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:51 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Magnus Manske
magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote:
Like many other old hands, it seems to get in the way
Am 13.08.2014 15:56 schrieb Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:51 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Magnus Manske
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:20 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com
wrote:
Am 13.08.2014 15:56 schrieb Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:51 AM, rupert THURNER
rupert.thur...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Erik Moeller
Am 13.08.2014 21:53 schrieb Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:20 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com
wrote:
Am 13.08.2014 15:56 schrieb Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com
:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:51 AM, rupert THURNER
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Philippe Beaudette
pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Aug 11, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote:
like suppression, it should be
used only by stewards and community approved functionaries.
I'm confused. Are you suggesting that
FWIW, Lila's comments were made before the start of this email thread about
superprotect.
Pine
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
Forwarding comments from Lila from
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALilaTretikovdiff=9454366oldid=9339030
On 12.08.2014 02:26, svetlana wrote:
If we accept the policy in principle, I don't care who enforces such
policy, that be community or WMF. Such policy does not go against
community entirely, unless WMF shows a will to reject community
patches related to issues which community finds important.
Of Yaroslav M.
Blanter
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On 12.08.2014 02:26, svetlana wrote:
If we accept the policy in principle, I don't care who enforces such
policy, that be community or WMF
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On 12.08.2014 02:26, svetlana wrote:
If we accept the policy in principle
On 12/08/2014 15:19, rupert THURNER wrote:
magnus, a vote always has 3 options.
* i am for it
* i am against it
* i can live with the outcome of the vote
No, there are other options.
* I didn't know the poll was happening
* I just want to get on with editing / reading Wikipedia (or sister
: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki
near
you
On 12.08.2014 02:26, svetlana wrote:
If we accept the policy in principle, I don't care who enforces such
policy, that be community or WMF. Such policy does not go against
community entirely, unless WMF shows
2014-08-12 16:57 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com
wrote:
so i did not vote. because i can live with both. but i do respect the
vote.
i do respect admin decisions, i even voted for some admins.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com
wrote:
2014-08-12 16:57 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM, rupert THURNER
rupert.thur...@gmail.com
wrote:
so i did not vote. because i can live with both. but i do
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Magnus Manske
magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote:
It's probably fine for modern viewing, although it's hard to guess that
you get to the file page via the little Commons icon for people who (in all
likelihood) have never seen that icon, or visited Commons.
Dear
On 12.08.2014 16:57, Magnus Manske wrote:
German Wikipedia had 1.1 billion page views in June [1]. ~300 votes (~2/3
against MediaViewer) do not represent the readers, IMHO.
Claiming to speak for a perceived silent majority will not help you much
in this discussion.
There is a common pattern in
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
These changes will need to be carefully tested/validated. If you want
to take a look at an early early (!) prototype (!!), see
http://multimedia-alpha.wmflabs.org/wiki/Lightbox_demo , but please
note that anything but
Whoever believes that an administration of a crowdsourcing website can do
whatever they want just because they are running the website should recollect
what recently happened to Internet Brands and Wikitravel.
Popcorn, anyone?
Wikipedia is not an organization, and the WMF does not administer
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
These changes will need to be carefully tested/validated. If you want
to take a look at an early early (!) prototype (!!), see
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Henning Schlottmann h.schlottm...@gmx.net
wrote:
On 12.08.2014 16:57, Magnus Manske wrote:
German Wikipedia had 1.1 billion page views in June [1]. ~300 votes (~2/3
against MediaViewer) do not represent the readers, IMHO.
Claiming to speak for a perceived
All,
I just want to call your attention to Lila's statement at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:LilaTretikov#On_a_Scale_of_Billions
.
pb
*Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia
Foundation, Inc.
T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org | :
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Henning Schlottmann
h.schlottm...@gmx.net
wrote:
This is serious. WMF really needs to appreciate the expertise of the
author community and accept their experience a
2014-08-12 21:41 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Henning Schlottmann
h.schlottm...@gmx.net
wrote:
There is a common pattern in the conflicts between WMF and several
communities over software developments during the last few years.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Magnus Manske
magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote:
Like many other old hands, it seems to get in the way of my workflow. Not
an issue for me, as long as I can turn it off.
hehe, i suppose
right, Comming to a wiki near you
The people who were actually responsible were the community. Erik was acting in
a preventative role to prevent further disruption not punish administrators.
The community. couldn't take no for an answer and what has happened?
* Wheel/edit wars
* A new user right
On 11 August 2014 03:19, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
Lila,
I hope you are aware of the issues being described in this thread. Would
you please state your views on this situation?
Pine
+1 It would be great to hear from Lila on the current decisions being
taken by her employees.
The
On 11/08/14 21:49, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote:
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 2:01 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com
wrote:
Now, the devs/ops have attempted to introduce that capability, and the
new functionality is very likely riddled with holes, some of which
MZMcBride has suggested in the
Tim, I don't believe the issue was a failure to be clear. The problem is
the content of the change and its heavy handed enforcement.
Super protection either should not exist, or like suppression, it should be
used only by stewards and community approved functionaries.
On Aug 11, 2014 5:49 PM, Tim
On Aug 11, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote:
like suppression, it should be
used only by stewards and community approved functionaries.
I'm confused. Are you suggesting that suppression is not used by staff?
Super protection can be used by staff, and was.
Lets all welcome the new overlord Erik.
Add a new protection level called superprotect
Assigned to nobody by default. Requested by Erik Möller for the purposes
of protecting pages such that sysop permissions are not sufficient to
edit them.
Change-Id: Idfa211257dbacc7623d42393257de1525ff01e9e
The people who were actually responsible were the community. Erik was
acting in a preventative role to prevent further disruption not punish
administrators. The community. couldn't take no for an answer and what has
happened?
* Wheel/edit wars
* A new user right to prevent disruption
* A
Your mail is embarrassing.
If you think the foundation is like the parent of the community, you don't
understand anything about the foundation nor the community.
Am 11.08.2014 00:05 schrieb John Lewis johnflewi...@gmail.com:
The people who were actually responsible were the community. Erik was
MF-Warburg, that came across as a bit rude...
On 11 Aug 2014 00:29, MF-Warburg mfwarb...@googlemail.com wrote:
Your mail is embarrassing.
If you think the foundation is like the parent of the community, you don't
understand anything about the foundation nor the community.
Am 11.08.2014 00:05
Oh sorry, that was totally not the intention. It must be the strange beer
here at the Thistle Barbecue hotel.
Am 11.08.2014 00:54 schrieb Richard Symonds
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk:
MF-Warburg, that came across as a bit rude...
On 11 Aug 2014 00:29, MF-Warburg mfwarb...@googlemail.com
As long as we all stay friends!
On 11 Aug 2014 00:57, MF-Warburg mfwarb...@googlemail.com wrote:
Oh sorry, that was totally not the intention. It must be the strange beer
here at the Thistle Barbecue hotel.
Am 11.08.2014 00:54 schrieb Richard Symonds
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk:
On 11 August 2014 01:05, John Lewis wrote:
The people who were actually responsible were the community. Erik was
acting in a preventative role to prevent further disruption not punish
administrators.
Erik was acting in a manner that is totally disgraceful. He should
have never used his force
Lila,
I hope you are aware of the issues being described in this thread. Would
you please state your views on this situation?
Pine
On Aug 10, 2014 6:09 PM, Tomasz W. Kozłowski twkozlow...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 11 August 2014 01:05, John Lewis wrote:
The people who were actually responsible
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