Re: [Wikinews-l] RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews

2009-11-04 Thread Brian McNeil
On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 00:06 -0500, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Public-service broadcasting does have ads. For one they advertise themselves, they also advertise their own sponsors (Paid for by the Annenburg Group... and so on). But the sort of advertisement of which we're speaking isn't that

Re: [Wikinews-l] RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews

2009-11-04 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Brian McNeil brian.mcn...@wikinewsie.org wrote: No. The community cannot act outwith with WMF mission and project guidelines. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mission_statement * Adverts do not qualify as educational content

Re: [Wikinews-l] RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews

2009-11-04 Thread Brian McNeil
On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 11:38 -0400, Nathan wrote: On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Brian McNeil brian.mcn...@wikinewsie.org wrote: No. The community cannot act outwith with WMF mission and project guidelines. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mission_statement * Adverts do not

Re: [Wikinews-l] RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews

2009-11-04 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/4/2009 7:47:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, brian.mcn...@wikinewsie.org writes: Yes I did. It still violates all the WMF principles and policies I've left above. If the Serbian mission statement allows it - the WMF will withdraw approval for that mission statement and

Re: [Wikinews-l] RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews

2009-11-04 Thread Jon Davis
Yes. Wikinews shall overthrow the foundation board, us and our 40 active users. That would be fun. -Jon On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:59, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/4/2009 7:47:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, brian.mcn...@wikinewsie.org writes: Yes I did. It still violates all

Re: [Wikinews-l] RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews

2009-11-04 Thread Brian McNeil
On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 14:59 -0500, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/4/2009 7:47:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, brian.mcn...@wikinewsie.org writes: Yes I did. It still violates all the WMF principles and policies I've left above. If the Serbian mission statement allows it -

Re: [Wikinews-l] RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews

2009-11-04 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/4/2009 12:12:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, brian.mcn...@wikinewsie.org writes: If it existed to serve whatever the hell the community works it would allow members - it doesn't. You know why? To *protect the mission*. That mission is not there for others to exploit for

Re: [Wikinews-l] RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews

2009-11-04 Thread Brian McNeil
On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 22:30 +, Sue Gardner wrote: I'm staying out of the specifics, but I'll respond to Will's comment, below. The Wikimedia Foundation does not work for the community. The Wikimedia Foundation works to advance the mission. The Wikimedia Foundation has a fiduciary

[Wikinews-l] [Fwd: Re: RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews]

2009-11-04 Thread Brian McNeil
I will consider all such correspondence from this person freely available for global distribution. -- Brian McNeil brian.mcn...@wikinewsie.org http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Brian_McNeil Content of this message in no way represents the opinions or official position of the Wikimedia Foundation or

[Wikinews-l] [Fwd: Re: RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews]

2009-11-04 Thread Brian McNeil
Let's put it to a vote shall we? Should a list moderator completely ban this person? Ironic that he trots out Orwellian analogies. Particularly considering a substantial number of the 'topically appropriate' articles I've contributed to Wikinews. -- Brian McNeil brian.mcn...@wikinewsie.org

Re: [Wikinews-l] [Fwd: Re: RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews]

2009-11-04 Thread altally
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Brian McNeil brian.mcn...@wikinewsie.orgwrote: Let's put it to a vote shall we? Should a list moderator completely ban this person? Ironic that he trots out Orwellian analogies. Particularly considering a substantial number of the 'topically appropriate'

Re: [Wikinews-l] [Fwd: Re: RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews]

2009-11-04 Thread bawolff
To have friends who will treat you with kid gloves while attacking anyone who dares to point out that you have no clothes. Perhaps only really smart pople can see his clothes... -- - Bawolff Caution: The mass of this product contains the energy equivalent of 85 million tons of TNT per net ounce

Re: [Wikinews-l] [Fwd: Re: RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews]

2009-11-04 Thread Nathan Reed
Let's just allow a cooling off period. I don't think any further discussion on-list is necessary concerning the free advertising proposal, if it must be discussed, a discussion on-wiki might be more appropriate since this is an en.WN issue. Taunting the user on-list (especially when he/she can't

Re: [Wikinews-l] [Fwd: Re: RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews]

2009-11-04 Thread Brian McNeil
On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 17:33 -0600, Nathan Reed wrote: Let's just allow a cooling off period. I don't think any further discussion on-list is necessary concerning the free advertising proposal, if it must be discussed, a discussion on-wiki might be more appropriate since this is an en.WN

Re: [Wikinews-l] RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews

2009-11-04 Thread gopher65
I haven't commented on this yet, but I do have one little comment about the non-ideological, practical portion of this advertising thing. The key here is that this isn't some randomly place Yahoo!/Google/MS ad on our site (that's another topic of discussion entirely), it's us purposefully