Re: [Wikitech-l] CAPTCHA

2013-03-21 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Restrictive wikis for captchas are only a handful (plus pt.wiki which is in permanent emergency mode). https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Newly_registered_user For them you could request confirmed flag at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SRP Personally I found it easier to do the required 10, 50 or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Flagged revs and Lua modules

2013-03-21 Thread Aaron Schulz
Sounds like a site config issue. All wikis that have NS_TEMPLATE in $wgFlaggedRevsNamespaces should also have NS_MODULE in there. -- View this message in context: http://wikimedia.7.n6.nabble.com/Flagged-revs-and-Lua-modules-tp4999685p497.html Sent from the Wikipedia Developers mailing

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wmfall] Yuri Astrakhan Adam Baso join Mobile department partner team

2013-03-21 Thread Nasir Khan
great news. :) * -- **Nasir Khan Saikat* http://profiles.google.com/nasir8891 www.nasirkhn.com On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Matthew Flaschen mflasc...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 03/18/2013 01:29 PM, Tomasz Finc wrote: Greetings all, I'm pleased to announce that the mobile department

Re: [Wikitech-l] Missing project ideas for GSOC

2013-03-21 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Eugene Zelenko eugene.zele...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I think will be good idea to direct some of Google Summer of Code participants energy to help Wikidata which misses many must-be features. Some of them like support for projects other then Wikipedia is

Re: [Wikitech-l] IRC office hour on Tue March 19th, 1700 UTC, about Bug management

2013-03-21 Thread Andre Klapper
Thanks to everybody who showed up! The IRC log can be found at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2013-03-19 andre -- Andre Klapper | Wikimedia Bugwrangler http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

[Wikitech-l] RFC How/whether MediaWiki could use ZendOptimizuerPlus -- ZendOptimizerPlus, opcode cache, PHP 5.4, APC, memcache ???

2013-03-21 Thread Thomas Gries
tl;dr discussion start How/whether MediaWiki could use ZendOptimizuerPlus Since a short time * ZendOptimizerPlus (Opcode cache; source [4]) is under PHP license and planned to be integrated in PHP 5.5. The former restrictions of this program (closed-source etc.) appear to be gone, so I'd

Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC How/whether MediaWiki could use ZendOptimizuerPlus -- ZendOptimizerPlus, opcode cache, PHP 5.4, APC, memcache ???

2013-03-21 Thread Chad
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Thomas Gries m...@tgries.de wrote: tl;dr discussion start How/whether MediaWiki could use ZendOptimizuerPlus Since a short time * ZendOptimizerPlus (Opcode cache; source [4]) is under PHP license and planned to be integrated in PHP 5.5. The former

Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC How/whether MediaWiki could use ZendOptimizuerPlus -- ZendOptimizerPlus, opcode cache, PHP 5.4, APC, memcache ???

2013-03-21 Thread Thomas Gries
Am 21.03.2013 15:23, schrieb Chad: You're confusing opcode caching with shared memory caching. thanks, as already mentioned, I anticipated that difference. Having the Zend Optimizer doesn't prohibit you from using APC's shared memory caching. But APC has issues with PHP 5.4 . What can we

Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC How/whether MediaWiki could use ZendOptimizuerPlus -- ZendOptimizerPlus, opcode cache, PHP 5.4, APC, memcache ???

2013-03-21 Thread Chad
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Thomas Gries m...@tgries.de wrote: Am 21.03.2013 15:23, schrieb Chad: You're confusing opcode caching with shared memory caching. thanks, as already mentioned, I anticipated that difference. Having the Zend Optimizer doesn't prohibit you from using APC's

Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC How/whether MediaWiki could use ZendOptimizuerPlus -- ZendOptimizerPlus, opcode cache, PHP 5.4, APC, memcache ???

2013-03-21 Thread Thomas Gries
Am 21.03.2013 15:57, schrieb Chad: Sure, it'd be an improvement--go ahead and file a bug wherever it belongs upstream (github?). If and when they decide to implement it, *then* would be the time to make MW changes :) Where can I read more (and can then refer to it) about how MediaWiki uses the

Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC How/whether MediaWiki could use ZendOptimizuerPlus -- ZendOptimizerPlus, opcode cache, PHP 5.4, APC, memcache ???

2013-03-21 Thread Bryan Tong Minh
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Thomas Gries m...@tgries.de wrote: Do I have to look for the MediaWiki source module/memcache API? Where ? It's called BagOStuff. Bryan ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Wars™: a strategy-guide

2013-03-21 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 03/20/2013 10:43 AM, Jasper Wallace wrote: On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, MZMcBride wrote: P.S. mailman: there's a non-ASCII character in the subject line. Attack! Why? It's correctly encoded: Because the way the subject line is displayed 3 different ways on the archive page:

[Wikitech-l] RFC: Alternative domains for Commons

2013-03-21 Thread Juliusz Gonera
We've been having a hard time making photo uploads work in MobileFrontend because of CentralAuth's third party cookies problem (we upload them from Wikipedia web site to Commons API). Apart from the newest Firefox [1,2], mobile Safari also doesn't accept third party cookies unless the domain has

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Wars™: a strategy-guide

2013-03-21 Thread Luke Welling WMF
Ori's advice rings true with me. It's something I need to get better at. On the email titiel sidetrack, it should not create a 4th way. Without verifying them those all look like valid representations of the same data. MIME encoded word syntax only has two possible encodings, quoted printable

[Wikitech-l] EasyRDF light

2013-03-21 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hey, as you remembered, we were asking about EasyRDF in order to use it in Wikidata. We have now cut off the pieces that we do not need, in order to simplify the review. Most of the interesting parts of EasyRDF regarding security issues -- parsing, serving, etc. -- has been removed. Our code is

[Wikitech-l] Encoding subject encoding bike shed

2013-03-21 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 03/21/2013 11:45 AM, Luke Welling WMF wrote: On the email title sidetrack, it should not create a 4th way. The pedant in me says there are at least two more ways -- different capitalization for UTF-8. But your subject line shows another way. My client displays all of the subjects the same.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Encoding subject encoding bike shed

2013-03-21 Thread Luke Welling WMF
Heh, if clients randomly change character sets than I guess there are a very large number of possible values. Given that RFC2047 came out in 1996 it's reasonable that people use non-ascii characters in titles given that the means to do it in a compatible way has been around for 17 years. Luke

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Wars™: a strategy-guide

2013-03-21 Thread Brad Jorsch
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Jasper Wallace jas...@pointless.netwrote: On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, MZMcBride wrote: P.S. mailman: there's a non-ASCII character in the subject line. Attack! Why? It's correctly encoded: Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit =?UTF-8?B?V2Fyc+KEog==?=: a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for communicating changes in MediaWiki to WMF sites?

2013-03-21 Thread Platonides
Is sending an email to wikitech-ambassadors enough for unblocking it? Although such should contain a timeframe expectation, which probably only WMF can give. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for communicating changes in MediaWiki to WMF sites?

2013-03-21 Thread Quim Gil
On 03/21/2013 02:55 AM, Niklas Laxström wrote: I've seen a couple of instances where changes to MediaWiki are blocked until someone informs the community. Someone is a volunteer. Community is actually just the Wikimedia project communities. Or at least the biggest ones which are expected to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Wars™: a strategy-guide

2013-03-21 Thread Quim Gil
Ori, now you can add another point to the concise strategy-guide: Deeper posts tend to generate superficial and tangential replies. The answer is Silence. PS: thank you for the post, I enjoyed it. -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation

Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC How/whether MediaWiki could use ZendOptimizuerPlus -- ZendOptimizerPlus, opcode cache, PHP 5.4, APC, memcache ???

2013-03-21 Thread Tyler Romeo
Just to be clear, APC will not work in PHP 5.5 at all. It actually conflicts with Zend Optimizer+, and you cannot use both at the same time. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for communicating changes in MediaWiki to WMF sites?

2013-03-21 Thread Paul Selitskas
Example: We are running a fix in category sorting collations. That was a fix for the bug (introduced by developers, 3rd party software, whatever), not an enhancement. Anyway, notifying the community and its approval was requested. On Thursday, March 21, 2013, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Raw page view no longer showing language links for some pages?

2013-03-21 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 03/09/2013 10:00 PM, Brian Cassidy wrote: Hello, I'm the co-author of the WWW::Wikipedia Perl module ( https://metacpan.org/release/WWW-Wikipedia). It programmatically parses the raw source of a Wikipedia page. Of late, a few changes in behaviour have been reported to me -- all related

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for communicating changes in MediaWiki to WMF sites?

2013-03-21 Thread Tyler Romeo
Well, as part of the community and a volunteer, I can safely say that I don't think I (or anybody else) needs notification before bug fixes. :P *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com

[Wikitech-l] wmf12 rollback, all wikis (except test2) are on wmf11

2013-03-21 Thread Greg Grossmeier
Tim rolled back wmf12 after a nasty bug last night: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46397 Our fix we deployed to test2 didn't fix it: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/55086/ We're still diagnosing/etc. So, we're staying on wmf11 for now (except on test2, which is running the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for communicating changes in MediaWiki to WMF sites?

2013-03-21 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-03-21 3:08 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Well, as part of the community and a volunteer, I can safely say that I don't think I (or anybody else) needs notification before bug fixes. :P *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in

[Wikitech-l] Meetup April 11: GSOC and other open source internship programs

2013-03-21 Thread Quim Gil
Your forwards to potential students / interns / mentors are welcome! Also out of the Bay Area: we will stream the event and accept questions via IRC. GSoC and other open source internship programs Wikipedia Engineering Meetup (San Francisco) Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:00 PM

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for communicating changes in MediaWiki to WMF sites?

2013-03-21 Thread Quim Gil
On 03/21/2013 11:05 AM, Paul Selitskas wrote: Example: We are running a fix in category sorting collations. That was a fix for the bug (introduced by developers, 3rd party software, whatever), not an enhancement. Anyway, notifying the community and its approval was requested. Thank you, having

[Wikitech-l] Important maintenance bug

2013-03-21 Thread Leslie Carr
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46428 If one of the php-knowledgable peeps can take a look at this (sadly my php-foo is quite weak). -- Leslie Carr Wikimedia Foundation AS 14907, 43821 http://as14907.peeringdb.com/ ___ Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for communicating changes in MediaWiki to WMF sites?

2013-03-21 Thread Isarra Yos
Another example would be changing default options in core - recently I tried to push for making the enhanced recentchanges the default, but one of the blockers was that I'd need to let the Wikimedia communities know as the change would be applied there as well. Unfortunately I didn't have any

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for communicating changes in MediaWiki to WMF sites?

2013-03-21 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: That depends on the bug. Some fixes do cause disruption. To pick a random clear cut example from a while ago - consider adding the token to the login api action. It was very important that got fixed, but it did cause

Re: [Wikitech-l] Raw page view no longer showing language links for some pages?

2013-03-21 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
This is all due to the introduction of Wikidata http://wikidata.org. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 03/09/2013 10:00 PM, Brian Cassidy wrote: Hello, I'm the co-author of the WWW::Wikipedia Perl module (

Re: [Wikitech-l] Important maintenance bug

2013-03-21 Thread Brion Vibber
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org wrote: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46428 If one of the php-knowledgable peeps can take a look at this (sadly my php-foo is quite weak). Hmm... ok this explains why I couldn't find Wikipedia Zero-related

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for communicating changes in MediaWiki to WMF sites?

2013-03-21 Thread Quim Gil
On 03/21/2013 11:48 AM, Isarra Yos wrote: Unfortunately I didn't have any idea when such a change could or would be merged or deployed, so not only did I not have any timeframe to give said the communities, I didn't even know when it would be appropriate to tell them (if it happens months later,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for communicating changes in MediaWiki to WMF sites?

2013-03-21 Thread Isarra Yos
On 21/03/13 19:15, Quim Gil wrote: On 03/21/2013 11:48 AM, Isarra Yos wrote: Unfortunately I didn't have any idea when such a change could or would be merged or deployed, so not only did I not have any timeframe to give said the communities, I didn't even know when it would be appropriate to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for communicating changes in MediaWiki to WMF sites?

2013-03-21 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Quim, you seem to be answering the question how does one communicate changes, but the question of this thread is who is responsible for doing so. It's quite a difference. Usually volunteers know the communities better and have less problems with the how than others, but that's not the point.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Missing project ideas for GSOC

2013-03-21 Thread Quim Gil
Thank you for the feedback! Brion co, I have tried to distill the essence of your comments and write it down as generic guidelines at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013#Project_ideas On 03/20/2013 04:53 PM, Luca de Alfaro wrote: Would there be interest in integrating the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for communicating changes in MediaWiki to WMF sites?

2013-03-21 Thread Quim Gil
On 03/21/2013 02:12 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Quim, you seem to be answering the question how does one communicate changes, but the question of this thread is who is responsible for doing so. It's quite a difference. I don't think there is a single name for this responsibility. As it

[Wikitech-l] [RFC] performance standards for new mediawiki features

2013-03-21 Thread Asher Feldman
I'd like to push for a codified set of minimum performance standards that new mediawiki features must meet before they can be deployed to larger wikimedia sites such as English Wikipedia, or be considered complete. These would look like (numbers pulled out of a hat, not actual suggestions): -

Re: [Wikitech-l] Reminder about the best way to link to bugs in commits

2013-03-21 Thread Krinkle
On Mar 20, 2013, at 11:59 AM, Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 March 2013 23:46, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Bug: 1234 Change-Id: Ia90. So when you do this, you're able to search for bug:1234 via Gerrit. By doing this, you're also removing it from the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for communicating changes in MediaWiki to WMF sites?

2013-03-21 Thread Tim Starling
On 21/03/13 20:55, Niklas Laxström wrote: I've seen a couple of instances where changes to MediaWiki are blocked until someone informs the community. Someone is a volunteer. Community is actually just the Wikimedia project communities. Or at least the biggest ones which are expected to

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC] performance standards for new mediawiki features

2013-03-21 Thread Matthew Walker
Asher, Do we know what our numbers are now? That's probably a pretty good baseline to start with as a discussion. p99 banner request latency of 80ms Fundraising banners? From start of page load; or is this specifically how fast our API requests run? On the topic of APIs; we should set similar

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC] performance standards for new mediawiki features

2013-03-21 Thread Peter Gehres
From where would you propose measuring these data points? Obviously network latency will have a great impact on some of the metrics and a consistent location would help to define the pass/fail of each test. I do think another benchmark Ops features would be a set of latency-to-datacenter values,

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC] performance standards for new mediawiki features

2013-03-21 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
API is fairly complex to meassure and performance target. If a bot requests 5000 pages in one call, together with all links categories, it might take a very long time (seconds if not tens of seconds). Comparing that to another api request that gets an HTML section of a page, which takes a