Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

2014-04-11 Thread Steven Walling
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: I would add as an issue, that there are major variance in the font selection based on platform and configuration. For some platforms, the typo refresh chooses a font that is significantly lower quality than the browser

[Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Hackathon May 9th - 11th in Zürich - Upcoming Registration Deadline

2014-04-11 Thread Manuel Schneider
Dear all, as you all know the next Wikimedia Hackathon takes place in Zürich, Switzerland. Registration is already open for a while and we already passed the deadlines for scholarships and visa assistance. Thanks to the WMF and several chapters we could assign 29 scholarships to participants and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users; final plea!

2014-04-11 Thread Erwin Dokter
On 11-04-2014 04:35, Steven Walling wrote: How are these specific, replicable bugs? DJ is saying things the current solution is not working and we cannot do better but there is no evidence about why this is the case for such a large number of users that it requires a revert back to plain

[Wikitech-l] Keeping Code-Review votes across trivial changes of patch sets?

2014-04-11 Thread Christian Aistleitner
Hi, TL;DR: Gerrit would allow to keep Code-Review votes across * rebases and * commit message modifications of patch sets. Thereby dropping need to re-review “trivial” changes on patch sets. Shall we turn that feature on? Longer version. Currently,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Hackathon May 9th - 11th in Zürich - Upcoming Registration Deadline

2014-04-11 Thread Quim Gil
On Friday, April 11, 2014, Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch wrote: We have 15 beds left until the Youth Hostel is fully booked, 144 participants have registered so far. This is great news! Please also those who have already registered review the suggested sessions and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Keeping Code-Review votes across trivial changes of patch sets?

2014-04-11 Thread James Forrester
On Friday, April 11, 2014, Christian Aistleitner christ...@quelltextlich.at wrote: Hi, TL;DR: Gerrit would allow to keep Code-Review votes across * rebases and * commit message modifications of patch sets. Thereby dropping need to re-review “trivial” changes on patch sets. Shall we turn

Re: [Wikitech-l] Structured logging RFC discussion on 2014-03-19

2014-04-11 Thread Bryan Davis
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Bryan Davis bd...@wikimedia.org wrote: The structured logging RFC [0] will be up for discussion again next Wednesday [1]. There is a strawman implementation in gerrit [2] that is likely to be the focus of discussion unless there are other issues that the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Keeping Code-Review votes across trivial changes of patch sets?

2014-04-11 Thread Aaron Schulz
What if someone -1's due to something in the summary? It's odd that fixing it with a new commit would still show -1 on the reviewer's dashboard. I'm fine with it for automatic rebases though. -- View this message in context:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Keeping Code-Review votes across trivial changes of patch sets?

2014-04-11 Thread Jon Robson
Amending a commit message really shouldn't remove existing votes. I personally would like this on the MobileFrontend repository. I'm not sure if this can be done on a per project basis if necessary but I want this. On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Aaron Schulz aschulz4...@gmail.com wrote: What

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users; final plea!

2014-04-11 Thread Jon Robson
I keep hearing about ALLL THE BUGS but I've not seen anything on Bugzilla. This leads me to believe I've not been cc'ed on them or they haven't been raised (which would be bad). Please can someone raise these on Bugzilla - if these are being raised on wikis they are not getting in front of people.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users; final plea!

2014-04-11 Thread Erwin Dokter
On 11-04-2014 13:11, Erwin Dokter wrote: [1] shows half the world complaining about the typography refresh. I forgot to include the URL: [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Typography_refresh#Languages_problems Regards, -- Erwin Dokter ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users; final plea!

2014-04-11 Thread Erwin Dokter
On 11-04-2014 18:42, Jon Robson wrote: I keep hearing about ALLL THE BUGS but I've not seen anything on Bugzilla. That's because you don't *want* to see... Most of the reports on [1] are from readers who don't know anything about Bugzilla. That doesn't make that anything less valid. Since

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users; final plea!

2014-04-11 Thread Steven Walling
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl wrote: I forgot to include the URL: [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Typography_refresh# Languages_problems Out of all of these, the most clear is that serifs are not great for the headings in CJK (Chinese, Japanese,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users; final plea!

2014-04-11 Thread Steven Walling
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl wrote: There is also a tracking bug [2] with plenty bugs attached, among the [3], [4] and [5]; *all* language related. Buth the bug reports and Typography talk page have plenty of screenshots. [1]

Re: [Wikitech-l] Keeping Code-Review votes across trivial changes of patch sets?

2014-04-11 Thread James Forrester
On 11 April 2014 09:29, Aaron Schulz aschulz4...@gmail.com wrote: What if someone -1's due to something in the summary? It's odd that fixing it with a new commit would still show -1 on the reviewer's dashboard. ​Sure, but ​those are relatively rare for simple changes (normally you just fix

[Wikitech-l] Continuous integration updates

2014-04-11 Thread Krinkle
Hey all, Over the last 2 days, various packages have been upgraded in our Jenkins environment. There shouldn't be any noticeable changes (other than bug fixes and minor improvements). Let me know if you observe build failures that seem to be unrelated to the change being tested (e.g. master

Re: [Wikitech-l] Keeping Code-Review votes across trivial changes of patch sets?

2014-04-11 Thread Siebrand Mazeland
Op 11 apr. 2014 om 15:57 heeft Christian Aistleitner christ...@quelltextlich.at het volgende geschreven: Hi, TL;DR: Gerrit would allow to keep Code-Review votes across * rebases and * commit message modifications of patch sets. Thereby dropping need to re-review “trivial” changes

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users; final plea!

2014-04-11 Thread Brian Cox
Since that page was linked as the primary feedback page when the refresh was announced, it should be the first place to check for error reports. Claiming non-existence of Bugzilla reports is just plain selective ignorance. I disagree. Bugzilla is where we report bugs. If no one raises bugs as

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users; final plea!

2014-04-11 Thread Steven Walling
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Brian Cox nativeforeignerw...@gmail.comwrote: Perhaps all the user reported bugs should be added to Bugzilla for tracking purposes. But it's not reasonable to expect the average user to report them there. Brian/NF Yes I think we definitely need to track

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

2014-04-11 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
I have merged the Gerrit change (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/124475/), restoring the body font to sans-serif. The heading font is unchanged for now. I've read the entire wikitech-l thread (89 emails as of writing) and pondered this carefully. My summary of the situation is: * This font

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users; final plea!

2014-04-11 Thread Andre Klapper
On Fri, 2014-04-11 at 09:42 -0700, Jon Robson wrote: I keep hearing about ALLL THE BUGS but I've not seen anything on Bugzilla. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63549 dependency list plus likely stuff on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Typography_refresh that I'd expect the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users; final plea!

2014-04-11 Thread Erwin Dokter
On 11-04-2014 20:00, Jon Robson wrote: Please don't accuse me of things that are not true. I do want to see these things, but I have to manage 1) mailing lists 2) bugzilla 3) wiki pages (which i have to know exist). I am only human. Thanks for the links to bugs I've cc'ed myself on all of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

2014-04-11 Thread Steven Walling
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.comwrote: I have merged the Gerrit change (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/ r/#/c/124475/), restoring the body font to sans-serif. The heading font is unchanged for now. I've read the entire wikitech-l thread (89 emails as of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users; final plea!

2014-04-11 Thread Jon Robson
It looks like Nemo has been doing this (thanks a bunch Nemo) but I wasn't cc'ed on any of these reports so I was getting just as frustrated as you thinking we were inside a black hole :) I don't expect the average user to raise bugs. This would be a great thing to discuss in the retrospective -

[Wikitech-l] REST and SOA within MediaWiki - is my understanding right?

2014-04-11 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
Since we're considering https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Services_and_narrow_interfaces and asking for discussion on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Content_API , I put some time into understanding what a Service-Oriented Architecture and Representational

Re: [Wikitech-l] Keeping Code-Review votes across trivial changes of patch sets?

2014-04-11 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 18:29:06 +0200, Aaron Schulz aschulz4...@gmail.com wrote: What if someone -1's due to something in the summary? It's odd that fixing it with a new commit would still show -1 on the reviewer's dashboard. I'm fine with it for automatic rebases though. I think cases of the -1

[Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

2014-04-11 Thread Erwin Dokter
First, I like to aplologize to anyone who I may have come over too passionate at some times. Frustration is known to get the better of me, even though I should control that. (I also quit smoking.) Not sure where a new font stack should be discussed, so I'm just throwing it in here. Also, note

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

2014-04-11 Thread Erik Moeller
3 Thank you Erwin for always moving things forward. Much appreciated. :) Erik -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

2014-04-11 Thread Steven Walling
On Friday, April 11, 2014, Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl wrote: First, I like to aplologize to anyone who I may have come over too passionate at some times. Frustration is known to get the better of me, even though I should control that. (I also quit smoking.) Much harder to quit than to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Keeping Code-Review votes across trivial changes of patch sets?

2014-04-11 Thread Daniel Friesen
+1 I never liked this, over and over I point out a fatal issue with a commit sometimes fundamental to the idea itself and impossible to fix, so I -1 it, then when a new patchset comes out, completely ignores the concerns I've pointed out, my -1 with the idea suddenly disappears as if the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

2014-04-11 Thread Erwin Dokter
On 11-04-2014 21:49, Steven Walling wrote: This is the part I want to confirm and test. I want to be 100% sure that we are not gonna run in to the same ClearType rendering issues. (I have a Windows 7 laptop at my disposal that I can test with, as well as XP virtual machines.) I aksed on the

Re: [Wikitech-l] REST and SOA within MediaWiki - is my understanding right?

2014-04-11 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: The way we do stuff now: within your code, you write your core or extension code so that it interacts with various objects, subclasses this and event-handles that and hooks into the other thing. And there are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

2014-04-11 Thread Daniel Friesen
On 2014-04-11, 12:30 PM, Erwin Dokter wrote: Nimbus Sans L - for Linux. This is the defacto helv font on Linux systems which result in an look similair to Mac/Windows. Windows will not match this font, as the Windows versions of the Nimbus font packages have different font family names (ie.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Keeping Code-Review votes across trivial changes of patch sets?

2014-04-11 Thread Steven Walling
On Friday, April 11, 2014, Christian Aistleitner christ...@quelltextlich.at wrote: Hi, TL;DR: Gerrit would allow to keep Code-Review votes across * rebases and * commit message modifications of patch sets. Thereby dropping need to re-review trivial changes on patch sets. Shall we turn

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

2014-04-11 Thread Erwin Dokter
On 11-04-2014 22:43, Daniel Friesen wrote: * However I wonder if 'Helvetica' will ever actually be matched. Even Arial is crappier than Helvetica in most places (aside from those Windows installed Helvetica fonts) I can't really think of any situation where a device would have

[Wikitech-l] Tech Talk: Unit testing for MediaWiki projects

2014-04-11 Thread Quim Gil
Our calendar of activities is filling up. Tech Talk: Unit testing for MediaWiki projects https://plus.google.com/events/cae6ng1m9o4mhdbpo10u5v05bvg April 29, 19:00 UTC http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20140429T12p1=224am=30 If you want to schedule an event,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

2014-04-11 Thread Peter Coombe
On 11 April 2014 20:30, Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl wrote: ... Thank you for your work on this! Next up I may think about the headers font stack; While Georgia is a good serif; I detest its use of text figures. I previously suggested a solution to this that should work for most users

[Wikitech-l] Roadmap and deployment highlights - Week of April 14th

2014-04-11 Thread Greg Grossmeier
Hello and welcome to the latest edition of the WMF Engineering Roadmap and Deployment update. The full log of planned deployments next week can be found at: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments#Week_of_April_14th First, please read this blog post regarding the WMF's response to the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

2014-04-11 Thread Erwin Dokter
On 12-04-2014 00:47, Peter Coombe wrote: I previously suggested a solution to this that should work for most users ( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Typography_refresh/Archive_2#Numbers_looks_weird_in_article_title ) Steven: was this tried? Using the font-feature-settings CSS. I've had

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikitech-ambassadors] Roadmap and deployment highlights - Week of April 14th

2014-04-11 Thread Steven Walling
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: * Revert font stack change in Typography Refresh to be just sans-serif ** https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/125447/ To be clear per the amended commit message: this is just for the body font stack. All other aspects

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

2014-04-11 Thread Erwin Dokter
On 12-04-2014 01:29, Erwin Dokter wrote: Using the font-feature-settings CSS. I've had some trouble using this with Georgia, but that was regarding tabular numbers. Works just fine for lining though. Thinking further... Browser support is pretty recent, doesn't work in old Opera (Presto) and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Roadmap and deployment highlights - Week of April 14th

2014-04-11 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: * VisualEditor fixes: ** Adding a reference adds an empty one; editing a reference inserts a new one ** fix JS error on opening redirect pages +Enable VisualEditor on French Wikinews per community request