Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Can I just agree with everything Brian just said? +1 :) Am 08.04.2015 um 23:50 schrieb Brian Wolff: To be nitpicky, not only is it possible to combine rc with wikipages, its been supported (and mostly unused) for ages in the form of special:recentchangeslinked. More structured lists could be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Brian Wolff
To be nitpicky, not only is it possible to combine rc with wikipages, its been supported (and mostly unused) for ages in the form of special:recentchangeslinked. More structured lists could be done with content handler (as with all things there are pros and cons to such an approach).

Re: [Wikitech-l] Obfuscating IP addresses on history pages

2015-04-08 Thread Cristian Consonni
2015-04-05 17:31 GMT+02:00 Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com: Things that come to my mind: *range blocks become impossible, and its impossible to tell if vandals are using near by ips *cant do a whois on the ip to see if its a library or something Oh, I didn't think about this! What about: *

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
I hope no 60 storey building is in the making. The bazaar is horizontal, a vertical suk is too similar to a cathedral. Nemo ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Obfuscating IP addresses on history pages

2015-04-08 Thread Cristian Consonni
2015-04-08 16:11 GMT+02:00 Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com: What about: * creating a new permission group (say IP watchers) that can see the IP in non-hashed form? * compile some sort of list and automatically tagging edits from schools and libraries? (this could be useful

Re: [Wikitech-l] Obfuscating IP addresses on history pages

2015-04-08 Thread Brian Wolff
On Apr 8, 2015 11:12 AM, Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote: Cristian Consonni schreef op 2015/04/08 om 3:00: 2015-04-05 17:31 GMT+02:00 Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com: Things that come to my mind: *range blocks become impossible, and its impossible to tell if vandals are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Too many connections...

2015-04-08 Thread Andre Klapper
Thanks for bringing this up! There was an outage of s2 wikis. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95426 is the related task and will get updated with any findings. An incident report will be made available at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incident_documentation once investigation has

Re: [Wikitech-l] Too many connections...

2015-04-08 Thread florian.schmidt.wel...@t-online.de
Nope, it's working for me. Maybe a temp problem, have you asked on #wikimedia-operations? Freundliche Grüße / Best Florian Schmidt -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [Wikitech-l] Too many connections... Datum: Wed, 08 Apr 2015 14:29:57 +0200 Von: Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com An:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Too many connections...

2015-04-08 Thread Liangent
I haven't seen this myself, but there're some reports about the same problem in the village pump of zhwiki. -Liangent On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 9:00 PM, florian.schmidt.wel...@t-online.de florian.schmidt.wel...@t-online.de wrote: Nope, it's working for me. Maybe a temp problem, have you asked on

[Wikitech-l] Too many connections...

2015-04-08 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Sorry, are you experiencing the same problem than me accessing to the Italian Wikipedia? Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties. Try waiting a few minutes and reloading. (Cannot access the database: Too many connections (10.64.32.30)) -- Ilario Valdelli Wikimedia CH Verein

Re: [Wikitech-l] Too many connections...

2015-04-08 Thread Ilario Valdelli
I confirm that for 15-20 minutes Italian Wikipedia has been unavailable and I checked with other sysops of it.wikipedia. Regards On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:00 PM, florian.schmidt.wel...@t-online.de florian.schmidt.wel...@t-online.de wrote: Nope, it's working for me. Maybe a temp problem, have

Re: [Wikitech-l] Obfuscating IP addresses on history pages

2015-04-08 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Cristian Consonni schreef op 2015/04/08 om 3:00: 2015-04-05 17:31 GMT+02:00 Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com: Things that come to my mind: *range blocks become impossible, and its impossible to tell if vandals are using near by ips *cant do a whois on the ip to see if its a library or something

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Risker
Well, let's be honest. Whatever the theories behind it, these are content pages, they aren't mini-watchlists or really anything even all that technically related to the watchlist wishlist. Content belongs in a content space. Whether it gets its own wikispace, or it uses userspace, is sort of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Brian Wolff
On Apr 8, 2015 2:59 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: The main motivation for lists as not being wikipages is so that they can be combined with the recent changes feed and other things stored in the database. To be nitpicky, not only is it possible to combine rc with wikipages, its

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Adam Wight
I think the explicit schema will be brilliant when applied to collections, it will facilitate linking tools and more. But would it make sense to represent lists as a wikidata statements, as a compromise between native SQL and wiki pages? We would gain the standard onwiki tools, a data structure

[Wikitech-l] MediaWiki-Vagrant directory change merged (/srv - /vagrant/srv)

2015-04-08 Thread Bryan Davis
A patch [0] was merged recently that moves files provisioned by some roles from /srv/* (and /vagrant/*) to /vagrant/srv/*. This puts the files on the host machine and reduces the number of random subdirectories under /vagrant that are created. See T89919 [1] and the patch for more details. Most

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Jon Robson
The main motivation for lists as not being wikipages is so that they can be combined with the recent changes feed and other things stored in the database. We'll also hoping to support the filtering of collections via tags which becomes much easier if stored in a database. A watchlist is not a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
On Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:17:44 +0200, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: A watchlist is not a wikipage, so that in my eyes sets a precedent. Its also unequivocally private. I think a lot of the conflict here comes from the dual nature of gather as public/private. I think a closer precedent

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Jon Robson
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 8, 2015 2:59 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: The main motivation for lists as not being wikipages is so that they can be combined with the recent changes feed and other things stored in the database. To

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Derk-Jan Hartman
On 8 apr. 2015, at 21:17, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: I think the problem is one of integration. People want anything publically editable to be consistent. Earlier in this thread TheDJ made a comparison to building an office tower with duct tape. Well he has a fair point about