Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-30 Thread Claudia Müller-Birn
Dear Roan, Thank you very much for your detailed explanations. I appreciate it very much. Even though, I do not fully agree with all your design decisions (regarding two different feedback mechanisms), they are understandable from your position (as far as I can anticipate it). Last comment

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-30 Thread James Forrester
On 30 April 2013 12:30, Claudia Müller-Birn c...@inf.fu-berlin.de wrote: Dear Roan, Thank you very much for your detailed explanations. I appreciate it very much. Even though, I do not fully agree with all your design decisions (regarding two different feedback mechanisms), they are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-29 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 9:42 AM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: The report a problem link sends the report privately to a Parsoid server. From your video, it appears that the API call to do so failed - could you file a Bugzilla item with more details so we can investigate?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-29 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Claudia Müller-Birn c...@inf.fu-berlin.de wrote: Hi James, Thanks for clarifying. I am just wondering why the two feedback mechanisms send to different targets which I personally find a bit confusing. What has been the decision behind it? They are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-29 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Lukas Benedix bene...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: I'm not a non-tech-user, but I don't like using bugzilla. here is the new bug: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47755 Per my earlier post, I've closed that bug as INVALID (as feedback collection does actually work),

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-29 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-26 17:17, Gerard Meijssen a écrit : Hoi, Why use such an old browser and why should anybody care if it works ... Current version of Firefox is 20.0.1 Thanks, Gerard Because that's the version which is installed on one of the workstation I use and for which I have no required

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-29 Thread David Gerard
On 27 April 2013 09:25, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 April 2013 15:42, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Lukas Benedix bene...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: You can share your feedback on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-29 Thread Lukas Benedix
Am Mo 29.04.2013 10:09, schrieb Mathieu Stumpf: We should care because we care about all potential contributors, and we don't want to make discrimination based on gender, sexual orientation nor the browser available to them. SCNR: The VisualEditor is not working in IE6, which is used by

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-29 Thread Subramanya Sastry
On 04/29/2013 03:34 PM, David Gerard wrote: On 27 April 2013 09:25, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: ... That doesn't quite address the issue: surely it's a problem if it's claiming to take feedback but the feedback is going nowhere. (I've been trying it and flagging seriously buggy

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 April 2013 12:01, Subramanya Sastry ssas...@wikimedia.org wrote: As Roan clarified in his emails on this thread, the debugging data collected is sent to the Parsoid server and is stored there. We (the Parsoid team) do look at it and use that for debugging and fixing bugs. Cool, thank

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-29 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:36 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Cool, thank you :-) Every time I've used it lately, it's messing with the ref tags. Just now I literally moved a comma and it decided messing with the ref tags would be just the thing to do ... Yeah, sorry about that :( .

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-27 Thread Claudia Müller-Birn
On Apr 27, 2013, at 12:05 AM, Lukas Benedix bene...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: I'm not a non-tech-user, but I don't like using bugzilla. here is the new bug: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47755 btw: While testing the black-hole feedback-mechanism I found another issue with

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-27 Thread David Gerard
On 26 April 2013 15:42, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Lukas Benedix bene...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: You can share your feedback on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:VisualEditor/Feedback but 'visual editor' - 'review and save' - 'something is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-26 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-25 19:09, James Forrester a écrit : On 18 April 2013 17:32, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: TL;DR: VisualEditor will be deployed on 14 new Wikipedias next week as an opt-in alpha. Your assitance is requested to inform your wikis about this and help get the software

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-26 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-25 19:09, James Forrester a écrit : On 18 April 2013 17:32, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: TL;DR: VisualEditor will be deployed on 14 new Wikipedias next week as an opt-in alpha. Your assitance is requested to inform your wikis about this and help get the software

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-26 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2013/4/26 Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org: In the french version, the label of the checkbox to activate it have to internal links to none-existant pages (red links). The wiki equivalent text is : Activer VisualEditor (seulement dans les espaces de noms [[Wikipédia:Main

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-26 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
It's currently disabled on IE9 and Opera. You can test it on them by using the ?vewhitelist=1 parameter (but don't expect much). I'm currently working on Opera support myself (as a volunteer). 2013/4/26, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org: Le 2013-04-25 19:09, James Forrester a écrit :

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-26 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-04-26 14:19, Bartosz Dziewoński a écrit : It's currently disabled on IE9 and Opera. You can test it on them by using the ?vewhitelist=1 parameter (but don't expect much). I'm currently working on Opera support myself (as a volunteer). I'm using firefex 8.0.1. It works with the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-26 Thread Lukas Benedix
I'm pretty sure the feedback is stored nowhere... I just made a test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzt_2CBfTNI You can share your feedback on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:VisualEditor/Feedback but 'visual editor' - 'review and save' - 'something is wrong' - 'report problem' is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-26 Thread K. Peachey
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Lukas Benedix bene...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: ... You can share your feedback on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:VisualEditor/Feedback but 'visual editor' - 'review and save' - 'something is wrong' - 'report problem' is not working for me. You can

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Why use such an old browser and why should anybody care if it works ... Current version of Firefox is 20.0.1 Thanks, Gerard On 26 April 2013 14:52, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.orgwrote: Le 2013-04-26 14:19, Bartosz Dziewoński a écrit : It's currently disabled on IE9

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-26 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:52:22 +0200, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote: I'm using firefex 8.0.1. Only Firefox = 11 is supported (but I have no idea why; I've just checked the source code to find out). Here's the current full compatibility map for other browsers, if anyone's

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-26 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 26/04/13 15:23, Lukas Benedix a écrit : I just made a test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzt_2CBfTNI Seems the VisualEditor feedback is sent to parsoid.wmflabs.org which is most probably wrong. -- Antoine hashar Musso ___ Wikitech-l mailing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-26 Thread James Forrester
On 26 April 2013 05:52, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote: Le 2013-04-26 14:19, Bartosz Dziewoński a écrit : It's currently disabled on IE9 and Opera. You can test it on them by using the ?vewhitelist=1 parameter (but don't expect much). I'm currently working on Opera support

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-26 Thread James Forrester
On 26 April 2013 06:23, Lukas Benedix bene...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: I'm pretty sure the feedback is stored nowhere... I just made a test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzt_2CBfTNI You can share your feedback on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:VisualEditor/Feedback but 'visual

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-26 Thread James Forrester
The feedback tool (Leave feedback or Rückmeldungen hinterlassen) posts your feedback to a page on-wiki (for dewiki, this was https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback but has now been moved to https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VisualEditor/R%C3%BCckmeldungen this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-26 Thread Claudia Müller-Birn
Hi James, Thanks for clarifying. I am just wondering why the two feedback mechanisms send to different targets which I personally find a bit confusing. What has been the decision behind it? And why is the Something is wrong or Etwas ist schief gelaufen a privately sent feedback? Wouldn't be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-26 Thread Claudia Müller-Birn
On Apr 26, 2013, at 4:42 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Lukas Benedix bene...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: ... You can share your feedback on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:VisualEditor/Feedback but 'visual editor' - 'review and save' -

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-26 Thread Lukas Benedix
I'm not a non-tech-user, but I don't like using bugzilla. here is the new bug: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/47755 btw: While testing the black-hole feedback-mechanism I found another issue with VisualEditor. There are lines marked as changed in the diff that I never touched:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-25 Thread James Forrester
On 18 April 2013 17:32, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: TL;DR: VisualEditor will be deployed on 14 new Wikipedias next week as an opt-in alpha. Your assitance is requested to inform your wikis about this and help get the software translated. This is now done (for de, nl, fr,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deploying alpha of VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias

2013-04-25 Thread Claudia Müller-Birn
Hi James, Great news! Is the already given feedback publicly available? If yes, where. Thank you. Claudia On Apr 25, 2013, at 7:09 PM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 18 April 2013 17:32, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: TL;DR: VisualEditor will be