Hoi,
The great thing of personal opinion is that they make great arguments, they
have their point When they are presented well they are compelling..
HOWEVER, we are in the habit of testing many of these arguments.
This is a test that is bound to be interesting to many of us.
Thanks,
GerardM
Assuming that we even use icons! I think a text drop down box which lists
the various networks that one could share onto would work just as well.
On 12 January 2015 at 15:35, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Tim Starling wrote:
Yes, there's a risk we could end up with an alphabetical list
On 12/01/15 16:35, MZMcBride wrote:
What problem are we trying to solve here?
The idea is to increase the number of shares, thus increasing the
number of people who read our content, thus educating more people,
thus better meeting our mission.
If the answer is that we want to make it
Your help pushing these tasks to some direction is welcome:
Share button (tools) in Wikipedia
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T29027
enhancement - add social sharing feature after upload
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T42456
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Gerard Meijssen
Tim Starling wrote:
On 12/01/15 16:35, MZMcBride wrote:
What problem are we trying to solve here?
The idea is to increase the number of shares, thus increasing the
number of people who read our content, thus educating more people,
thus better meeting our mission.
You seem to be drawing a very
Tim, I have to disagree on that.
Imagine a world in which every single human being /can/ freely share
in the sum of all knowledge.
Most social media users can already read Wikipedia (and, I suppose, many
Wikipedia readers cannot use social media because of censorship).
And they almost
On 12/01/15 17:11, Jay Ashworth wrote:
I personally attribute that to we're so small, we have to cave on this point
or no one will know we're here, a problem a small journal might have, but
which Wikipedia certainly does not.
Do you suppose Physical Review (the lumbering giant of physics
Here's perhaps a new way to think about social media. Let's focus on
one particular aspect of not noise: news.
Twitter is a powerful tool for collecting/spreading real time news.
It also has many disadvantages, as we all know.
We have wikinews and other real-time information sources in our
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 2:45 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
The question was what problem are we trying to solve. An appeal to the
Wikimedia Foundation vision statement is clever, particularly as it uses
the word share, but Wikipedia currently has more visitors than nearly
every
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:35 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Adding social media icons is a lot of pain for very little gain, in my
opinion.
I'm in the eh camp, but I also don't think it's that much pain if done
properly. This article sums it up pretty well:
Tim Starling wrote:
Yes, there's a risk we could end up with an alphabetical list of
hundreds of social networks to share an article on, like
Special:Booksources. Better than nothing, I guess.
You guess wrong. As quiddity points out, we don't want
https://i.imgur.com/XGJHLvW.png or equivalent on
- Original Message -
From: Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org
*contradicting the serious tone
In my experiance, some wikipedians (esp. On enwiki) feel the wiki
should
have a very formal tone, and that share this links are out of place.
Ive
always wondered if thats partially
On 10/01/15 09:17, Brian Wolff wrote:
I think its important to separate two types of social media interaction:
*allowing people to post their favourite article (share this links)
*meta level interaction (stuff about the community)
Nobody objects to the second afaik. The first is like proposing
On 10 jan. 2015, at 02:10, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
What if we used Wikidata and had an open form of sharing?
I could imagine us asking Wikidata what things are instance of sharing
platforms and what the URL for them. Using something like OOJS UI's
InputLookupWidget you could
Rob, thank you for this post and the discussion it has started, and thank
you also for detecting (indirectly) a relative subtle piece of vandalism in
our mw:Social_media page.
There are many mixed topics here, and solving each requires many more mixed
tasks. I have picked the one that our
I smell another Jon/thedj/aude collaboration coming up... :)
On 10 Jan 2015 02:27, Derk-Jan Hartman d.j.hartman+wmf...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 10 jan. 2015, at 02:10, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
What if we used Wikidata and had an open form of sharing?
I could imagine us asking
Our referral traffic for 10/13 - 10/14 months follows. It's heavily
weighted towards seach. There are some industry wide issues about
identifying referrals from Facebook and Twitter's mobile apps which
probably underestimate the numbers but it seems like we have some room to
improve here.
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 3:27 PM, quiddity pandiculat...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
As far as i can tell, the arguments (on enwiki) usually boil down to:
*providing a share this link is a tacit endorsement/free advertisement of a
Max Semenik schreef op 2015/01/09 om 16:41:
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams
kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote:
Not sure where to reply to a top-post to a bottom posted thread, so I will
shoot for the middle and hope people can keep track of this knot. Your
counterexample
On 9 January 2015 at 15:26, Jared Zimmerman jared.zimmer...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
I'd be really interested knowing how our inbound referral traffic from
social sites differs from that from inbound traffic to social and news
sites from social referral traffic. When we talk about reader decline,
I'd be really interested knowing how our inbound referral traffic from
social sites differs from that from inbound traffic to social and news
sites from social referral traffic. When we talk about reader decline, we
rarely talk about how much a small increase in social referrals could
offset that.
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
As far as i can tell, the arguments (on enwiki) usually boil down to:
*providing a share this link is a tacit endorsement/free advertisement of a
website we dont like. Selecting who to show could present neutrality
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams
kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote:
Not sure where to reply to a top-post to a bottom posted thread, so I will
shoot for the middle and hope people can keep track of this knot. Your
counterexample (which can be manually done today, so I've got
Currently our approach on social media is that Social media websites
aren't useful for spreading news and reaching out to potential users and
contributors. [1] I challenge this though. Is it really true? Twitter
has 254 million active monthly users, with 500 million tweets sent per day
[2],
Il 09/01/2015 20:59, Strainu ha scritto:
2015-01-09 21:24 GMT+02:00 Rob Moen rm...@wikimedia.org:
Currently our approach on social media is that Social media websites
aren't useful for spreading news and reaching out to potential users and
contributors. [1]
Actually, this seems like vandalism.
On 2015-01-09 11:59 AM, Strainu wrote:
2015-01-09 21:24 GMT+02:00 Rob Moen rm...@wikimedia.org:
Currently our approach on social media is that Social media websites
aren't useful for spreading news and reaching out to potential users and
contributors. [1]
Actually, this seems like vandalism.
I would like to see more social media features in mediawiki. You can
flame me off-list, I'm just registering an opinion.
I think we also need to maintain our core competency -- WMF should not
be building a twitter or facebook or google plus clone, clearly. But
social features built around the
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote:
There is indeed a mighty debate about this. When we discussed the simple
idea of a WikiShare extension to post articles on social media sites - it
raised a hell storm that I still have war flashbacks from.
I'm
2015-01-09 21:24 GMT+02:00 Rob Moen rm...@wikimedia.org:
Currently our approach on social media is that Social media websites
aren't useful for spreading news and reaching out to potential users and
contributors. [1]
Actually, this seems like vandalism. See [5] for (what I believe to
be) the
In my opinion, we've been at odds with social media because...
1. social media contributions are rarely the kinds of contributions we
desire and;
2. social media websites often operate in ways that conflict with our
values and;
3. social media behaviors are not often seen has
I'd say: hit social media! Make MediaWiki and Wikimedia look like a
*happening place*.
Everyone [*] who runs PHP is looking seriously at HHVM right now, and
that's entirely because WMF moved to it.
The Phabricator migration made it to lwn.net, which is low-traffic but
high-quality.
Basically,
And if we're digging in the history, let's also publicly shame the
culprit, User:DroneOfTheWiki:
https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Social_mediadiff=1041046oldid=1038651
Strainu
2015-01-09 21:59 GMT+02:00 Strainu strain...@gmail.com:
2015-01-09 21:24 GMT+02:00 Rob Moen
On Jan 9, 2015 3:24 PM, Rob Moen rm...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Currently our approach on social media is that Social media websites
aren't useful for spreading news and reaching out to potential users and
contributors. [1] I challenge this though. Is it really true? Twitter
has 254 million
Brian Wolff schreef op 2015/01/09 om 15:17:
I think its important to separate two types of social media interaction:
*allowing people to post their favourite article (share this links)
*meta level interaction (stuff about the community)
Nobody objects to the second afaik. The first is like
As always, if there is a way to do something, there will be a way to abuse
it. Remember when we enabled IPv6 support some people started moaning that
new style IPs are vandalising even though the rate of vandalism wasn't
different between IPv4 and IPv6 anons? This is the same situation: to your
If you're interested, the Wikipedia app has functionality which lets you
share interesting snippets of articles to the social medium of your choice.
We have special Tweet a Fact functionality in alpha on Android; when you
highlight text in the app, and you tap the little chat bubble in the menu,
Max Semenik schreef op 2015/01/09 om 16:01:
As always, if there is a way to do something, there will be a way to abuse
it. Remember when we enabled IPv6 support some people started moaning that
new style IPs are vandalising even though the rate of vandalism wasn't
different between IPv4 and IPv6
On 15-01-09 03:19 PM, Trevor Parscal wrote:
3. social media behaviors are not often seen has helpful to our mission.
That's a near-universal attitude amongst old hands; and has spawned a
number of We are not Facebook meme and a great deal of knee-jerk
reaction to any feature that can
There is indeed a mighty debate about this. When we discussed the simple
idea of a WikiShare extension to post articles on social media sites - it
raised a hell storm that I still have war flashbacks from.
Personally, I think the arguments against at least the ability to easily
share articles on
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