Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-28 Thread Richard Henderson
On 2/27/23 23:00, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 10:21:14AM -1000, Richard Henderson wrote: Removing support for building on 32 bit systems seems like a pity - it's one of a small number of ways to run 64 bit binaries on 32 bit systems, and the maintainance overhead is quite

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-28 Thread Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
On 28/2/23 09:59, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 10:21:14AM -1000, Richard Henderson wrote: On 2/27/23 10:12, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 11:50:07AM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: I feel like we should have separate deprecation entries for the i686

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-28 Thread Michael S. Tsirkin
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 12:34:19PM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote: > If it's not worth arguing, then we merge Thomas's patch. I don't mind but it's just a doc patch isn't it? If what we want to do is to stop doing make check on a 32 bit container and just to do make then let's patch the relevant

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-28 Thread Markus Armbruster
"Michael S. Tsirkin" writes: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 11:39:39AM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote: >> The question to answer: Is 32 bit x86 worth its upkeep? Two >> sub-questions: 1. Is it worth the human attention? 2. Is it worth >> (scarce!) CI minutes? > > 3. Is it worth arguing about? If

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-28 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 06:24:02AM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 12:12:22PM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote: > > On 28/02/2023 11.51, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 11:39:39AM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote: > > > > The question to answer: Is 32 bit

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-28 Thread Michael S. Tsirkin
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 12:12:22PM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote: > On 28/02/2023 11.51, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 11:39:39AM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote: > > > The question to answer: Is 32 bit x86 worth its upkeep? Two > > > sub-questions: 1. Is it worth the human

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-28 Thread Thomas Huth
On 28/02/2023 11.51, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 11:39:39AM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote: The question to answer: Is 32 bit x86 worth its upkeep? Two sub-questions: 1. Is it worth the human attention? 2. Is it worth (scarce!) CI minutes? 3. Is it worth arguing about?

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-28 Thread Michael S. Tsirkin
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 11:39:39AM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote: > The question to answer: Is 32 bit x86 worth its upkeep? Two > sub-questions: 1. Is it worth the human attention? 2. Is it worth > (scarce!) CI minutes? 3. Is it worth arguing about? -- MST

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-28 Thread Markus Armbruster
"Michael S. Tsirkin" writes: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 09:40:49AM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 10:14:52AM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote: >> > On 28/02/2023 10.03, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: >> > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 08:59:52AM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: >> > >

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-28 Thread Michael S. Tsirkin
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 09:40:49AM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 10:14:52AM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote: > > On 28/02/2023 10.03, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 08:59:52AM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 03:19:20AM

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-28 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 10:14:52AM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote: > On 28/02/2023 10.03, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 08:59:52AM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 03:19:20AM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 08:49:09AM

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-28 Thread Thomas Huth
On 28/02/2023 10.03, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 08:59:52AM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 03:19:20AM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 08:49:09AM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote: On 27/02/2023 21.12, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-28 Thread Michael S. Tsirkin
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 08:59:52AM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 03:19:20AM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 08:49:09AM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote: > > > On 27/02/2023 21.12, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 11:50:07AM

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-28 Thread Michael S. Tsirkin
On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 10:21:14AM -1000, Richard Henderson wrote: > > Removing support for building on 32 bit systems seems like a pity - it's > > one of a small number of ways to run 64 bit binaries on 32 bit systems, > > and the maintainance overhead is quite small. > > It's not that small.

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-28 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 03:19:20AM -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 08:49:09AM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote: > > On 27/02/2023 21.12, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 11:50:07AM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > > > I feel like we should have

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-28 Thread Michael S. Tsirkin
On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 10:21:14AM -1000, Richard Henderson wrote: > On 2/27/23 10:12, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 11:50:07AM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > > I feel like we should have separate deprecation entries for the > > > i686 host support, and for

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-28 Thread Michael S. Tsirkin
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 08:49:09AM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote: > On 27/02/2023 21.12, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 11:50:07AM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > > I feel like we should have separate deprecation entries for the > > > i686 host support, and for

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-27 Thread Thomas Huth
On 27/02/2023 21.25, Richard Henderson wrote: On 2/27/23 01:50, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 12:10:49PM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote: Hardly anybody still uses 32-bit x86 hosts today, so we should start deprecating them to finally have less test efforts. With regards to 32-bit

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-27 Thread Thomas Huth
On 27/02/2023 21.12, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 11:50:07AM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: I feel like we should have separate deprecation entries for the i686 host support, and for qemu-system-i386 emulator binary, as although they're related they are independant

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-27 Thread Thomas Huth
On 27/02/2023 23.32, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: On 27/2/23 21:12, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 11:50:07AM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: I feel like we should have separate deprecation entries for the i686 host support, and for qemu-system-i386 emulator binary, as

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-27 Thread Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
On 27/2/23 21:12, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 11:50:07AM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: I feel like we should have separate deprecation entries for the i686 host support, and for qemu-system-i386 emulator binary, as although they're related they are independant features

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-27 Thread Richard Henderson
On 2/27/23 01:50, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 12:10:49PM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote: Hardly anybody still uses 32-bit x86 hosts today, so we should start deprecating them to finally have less test efforts. With regards to 32-bit KVM support in the x86 Linux kernel, the

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-27 Thread Richard Henderson
On 2/27/23 10:12, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 11:50:07AM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: I feel like we should have separate deprecation entries for the i686 host support, and for qemu-system-i386 emulator binary, as although they're related they are independant features

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-27 Thread Michael S. Tsirkin
On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 11:50:07AM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > I feel like we should have separate deprecation entries for the > i686 host support, and for qemu-system-i386 emulator binary, as > although they're related they are independant features with > differing impact. eg removing

Re: [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-27 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 12:10:49PM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote: > Hardly anybody still uses 32-bit x86 hosts today, so we should > start deprecating them to finally have less test efforts. > With regards to 32-bit KVM support in the x86 Linux kernel, > the developers confirmed that they do not need a

[PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386

2023-02-27 Thread Thomas Huth
Hardly anybody still uses 32-bit x86 hosts today, so we should start deprecating them to finally have less test efforts. With regards to 32-bit KVM support in the x86 Linux kernel, the developers confirmed that they do not need a recent qemu-system-i386 binary here: