Message text written by "G. Ken Holman"
if the
information encoded is richer than the markup used to capture the encoding,
then XSLT could be very difficult to use and one falls back on more
difficult imperative techniques (which would have been required anyway if
the markup were not
These industry classification codes http://www.unspsc.org were
originally designed for governmental statistical gathering on
GNP and productivity measuring - stemming from the US NAICS
codes and similar.
As with other things they are being pressed into service for XML
based business
Message text written by Jeff Ricker
David probably does not know this, put IP addressing had a similar
quasi-government origin and similar complaints. The UNSPSC fills a very
valuable role in ecommerce. If it didn't exist, we'd all have to invent our
own, making our systems even less
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Good Afternoon:
Today in EDI we have a test/production indicator in the header (ISA in ASC
X12, UNB in UN/EDIFACT) that allows someone to route the data to the
correct
system. Is there something similar in XML either in use today or on the
drawing board?
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The need to know about whether an interchange contains test or
production data is important for the intended receiver's processing and
makes no difference whatsoever to any VAN.
Rachel, appreciate the comments - but this lost me a bit - the
Message text written by Doug Anderson
Not sure that the "T vs. P" is a VAN thing however. Remember that in the
beginning (gee all the way back to the early days of TDCC, I am dating
myself) we didn't use headers above the GS in EDI and us VANs moved the
data
right along. Also, the first
Message text written by Michael Thiele
The upshot of all this is... lets build a repository of XML/EDI documents.
Where can we put it?
Regards,
Michael Thiele
Michael,
XMLGlobal is working on a set of tools to empower implementations
for this that will be ebXML compliant, and of course
OK - I received this today from a friend.
Since I send 5 times the average email (you noticed right?)
this got my attention!
I remember the 'bad old days' when we paid per transaction
for email and my MCIMail Bill was 3 times more than
my 'phone bill, and I could not even afford to send much
Message text written by Ken Laskey
David,
You've been snuckered. There is no bill 602P. See
http://www.urbanmyths.com/email_internettax602p.html and
http://www.usps.gov/news/press/99/99045new.htm for sample debunking
info. Loads of other info (and outrage sites) can be found from any
of
Message text written by "Fred Johnson"
USPS - They are perusing a bill paying service over the internet.
It would also be suicidal to add a new tax in an election year when the
federal government is running record surpluses.
You have been had. Laugh if off.
Fred Johnson
Fred - Cool. I'm
Last year I remember some members kicking off working
on XML DTD's for tracking student registration at college.
Is there a URL out there for this?
I searched my email archives but did not find what I was
looking for.
Singapore University is starting some XML work and
is interested in knowing
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If such enabling architecture techniques, etc. existed that truly enabled
interoperable automated XML-based document exchange such as that envisioned
by James there would be no need for the global efforts of the ebXML
Initiative,
Rachel,
I
Message text written by CHRIS KELLY
I agree. Let's keep it professional.
Chris' , OK - I just woke up and realized the system is broke
and we need to fix it.
I've asked DISA to look into setting up a board where people
can post all this Help Needed / Services Provided type things.
I
Message text written by "Betty L. Harvey"
David:
Job Postings is something that every listserve administrator has
to set a policy for. There is no posting policy for this listserve so I
see what Julie did was absolutely correct. She started the subject with
'JOB: '. Everyone
James,
Thanks for the excellent response. I like you sailing analogy
much better - that is indeed the right assessment.
Let me state here that one half of ebXML is founded in EDI, and
that over the years X12 and EDIFACT have achieved a very
high degree of vendor neutral stance. This is
I am very pleased to be able announce that the
GUIDE website is now operational.
http://www.xmlguide.org
GUIDE is designed to provide businesses a simple
way of implementing XML based business processes,
particularly in the context of ebXML.
You can define and document your
Tony,
I am seeing many organizations also grappling with this
same issue.
My focus is now on the 'end game' phase.
Right now ebXML is in the middle game.
As we approach the end game, many players, RosettaNet,
GCI, OAG, X12 and others are considering how to align and
leverage the ebXML work.
Message text written by "Lenny Lin"
Hi,
I just joined your XML/EDI group. Our company is looking for the
strategy
of EDI using XML/XMI technology. Do you know if there is any conference or
seminar/training that I can attend to get more detailed information of
XML/EDI
world?
Thanks,
Message text written by "Glass, John K. III"
Xml for Edi : Making E-Commerce a Reality
by Hussain Chinoy, Tyna Hull, Robi Sen
John,
Hussain has been a long standing member and participant
on the XML/edi Group.
Not seen the book - but I'm sure he will have made some
interesting reading.
Message text written by "Iobst, John"
This is just another instance of someone wanting to use a fancy word when
another would be more accurate. As Rachel pointed out by quoting the
dictionary definition, "deprecate" has a pejorative context. It bothers
me,
too, Rachel. Why use "deprecated"
Message text written by "Matthew MacKenzie"
David,
Object[] result = myobj.getSomething();
String firstSomething = (String)result[0];
Integer secondSomething = (Integer)result[1];
;-p
Matt,
As we were saying - if this is superior OO technology
then COBOL-3 aka oo-COBOL looks like a winner
Article was posted today to http://www.ebXML.org on above subject.
Tokyo meeting here is going great. Hotel is stellar!
Next opportunity to see and review more on ebXML is
XML2000 conference in Wash DC first week of December.
Enjoy, DW.
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Apologies for this - the note I got said 'its on our web page',
and I assumed the 'our' was ebXML - instead of course its
on the articles link from the OASIS web site.
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NOT just another business consortium announced yesterday. See
http://www.businessinternetconsortium.org/press_room/ . Thanks to Nikola
Stojanovic for alerting us to this announcement.
Alan,
Interesting indeed. Quite how this sits
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PS.
I thought we did away with the "Emperor" dung when we defeated the British?
As Athens found out in 300BC - defeats are only temporary set backs.
The long term prognosis is what counts ; -
Examples: Mexico now owns 35%+ of California again.
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3. XEROX POSTS ANOTHER LOSING QUARTER
Xerox's fourth quarter wasn't exactly a carbon copy of its third, and
that's the problem. The company posted an even larger loss this time.
http://update.planetit.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eCJ10BDJsP0IE0C7qi
Message text written by "Steve L. Bollinger"
I am no "EDI only" bigot and would LOVE to scrap EDI for the next better
model. We certainly need to move to a better model beyond EDI. I just
don't see that XML/edi supplies that model. It will still require
programmer mapping, maintenance and
Message text written by "Ken North"
I've not read the article yet so I can't comment on its accuracy. From
your
comments, it sounds like there were major omissions and glaring errors.
However, the writer might have described an authentication and
authorization
scenario, for example, to describe
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BINGO!
Again.
Do people think the tags are there for them?
Silly people.
H. sounds good - but how many of you have come in at
3am to a core dump and a 40,000 line file from a trading partner
that just crashed the mapper?
I guess the
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Registry driven transformation will indeed be largely automated.
True the business analyst will have to create the Registry entries,
but once that is done, the SME will be re-use enabled, and also
able to plug in process based
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The goal is not so
much to use a specific metholodogy or notation, but rather to acquire the
necessary knowledge so that effective decisions can be made regarding any
needed changes to existing processes.
Effectively facilitating and capturing
See details at:
http://www.ebxmlvancouver.org/registration.html
ebXML Participants:
If you haven't already registered for the Vancouver meeting, Feb 12-16,
there's still time. The deadline for registration has been extended
until 12 noon Pacific Standard Time on Wednesday the 7th of February.
Message text written by Anthony Beecher
The dot com world has been gutted. Dot coms are dying left and right. Much
of the investment money driving XML initiatives was living on the B2B hype
which was younger brother to the B2C. Now B2C is dying and it would seem
that B2B is going along with
Message text written by "Charlie Kaiman"
Is the ebXML Registry going to attempt to do the same thing
as UDDI (or is the ebXML Registry only about Schemas, and not Web
Services)?
If so, will they play nice together, i.e. share semantics? Or is this once
again going to be left up to the developer
Attached small JPG diagram on synergy of RDF and
tuple unions logic is instructive.
DW.
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Competitors join forces to grow XML
Concerned about losing control and frustrated
by slow progress, a group of agriculture
competitors join forces to spread XML seeds
in their industry.
http://www.eweek.com/a/pcwt0103011/2687521/
Interesting,
Message text written by "Kurt Cagle"
Still, I think that the problems that are affecting the industry are far
deeper and more pervasive than the industry itself. Most of us are in debt,
the inequity between rich and poor has exceeded historic levels, and there
is an undercurrent of discontent
Tina,
Apologies. Clearly we do NOT tolerate this behaviour on the
list.
I have forwarded this to DISA attention and action.
I've been in meetings all day otherwise I would have responded
early.
Members are once again reminded that professional behaviour is
a requirement of membership of
Of course Ken North had previously started a thread on
"if W3C is the answer, what is the question?!?"
Nevertheless - it is succeeding as an entity and
now has over 60 staff on four continents...
DW.
World Wide Web Consortium Grows to Over 500 Members
Organizations from 34 Countries Lead
Message text written by "John Evdemon"
"W3C is unique in that it performs the functions of design and
standardization concurrently"
John,
Well spotted. I think they'll be dropping this statement from future
utterances. I'm
at a lost to describe what "design and standardization
http://www.disa.org/disagram_art.cfm?DocID=574
As part of the DISA family here we are looking forward
to being able to also participate; the next step will be
establishing the technical facilitation details as this
work proceeds forward.
We'll post more news as it becomes available.
The key to
http://www.xmlglobal.com/soln/xml_b2b.jsp
Two day course June 11th and 12th.
Great time to be in Vancouver.
For more details contact Teresa,
tel:(604) 717-1100 ext.120
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I came across this excellent document and thought
members here would be interested.
Enjoy, DW.
Full disclosure - Kohsuke and I are both members of the
RELAX NG work (formally RELAX
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-ebxml/?openl=272,t=grx,p=ebXML
DW.
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It is therefore possible to go from any convention to any convention.
Trading partners need not be on the same convention, standard, and version.
The point I am making is that such an analysis be done prior to any
translation or map, particularly in applications
For some reason OASIS choose to call this the QIC WG.
What the heck is that? A good question! I think a large
number of people have experience with dealing with
addressing information in systems across a broad
sector of business applications.
CUSTOMER ADDRESS WG - that is much simpler to
Message text written by Alan Kotok
The discussions and documents
generated by this list helped define the requirements and important
components of a workable e-business architecture in which XML could play a
role.
Alan,
Excellent points. And unfortunately this begs the question - and what
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-matters13.html
good article.
Although for me the odd 10% or 20% here is not so significant -
but at least the article allows you to assess based on your own
needs.
Remember V90 modems include builtin on the wire compression
using PKZIP /
I'm pleased to let everyone know that Wrox has
just released their ebXML book.
http://www.wrox.com/Books/Book_Details.asp?section=1_2isbn=1861005903
The team that put this together is a who's who of
experts that contributed to the original ebXML
development work.
The book is focused on
I hope everybody knowns by now NOT to touch anything
with a .COM or .EXE extension as an attachment.
I'll check with DISA to see if their mailserver can
automatically reject these postings.
I don;t think Dan even knew this was attaching itself
to his email.
DW.
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How interesting...
As one of the co-chairs of ebXML Core Components, I find it curious that
this book would have been written without any contact with me. Or without
attendance at all of the ebXML Core Components meetings.
Maybe those of us who did
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Yesterday, the U.S. Senate passed S. 1684 by unanimous consent, delaying
implementation of the HIPAA transaction and code set standards by one year.
The new compliance date for these standards is October 16, 2003. S. 1684
has a specific carve out for the privacy rule. Health care providers,
Message text written by Rishel,Wes
These include a
requirement for every covered entity to file a plan, including budget,
showing how it will get ready by Oct 2003 and a $1/claim tax on paper
claims
to help cover regulatory costs.
Wes,
Great to hear from you.
This add-on is so poinient and
Message text written by Chris Thompson
Another clarification - the $1 tax per claim is only for paper claims
submitted to Medicare.
Also, could people who set up out-of-office auto-replies please temporarily
unsub*scribe from the list? I hate sending mail on this list as I always
get twenty
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This would not be a pretty picture and has
all kinds of potential fall out.
I wouldn't make bet on it being passed by both houses and then getting the
President's signature.
Rachel,
You can bet that someone is lobbying heavily behind this -
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What is the future for HL7 ?
Will it go the way of Homo Erectus?
ebXML holds sure promise but still not the answer in total.
Michael Mac Beane
Electronic Document Proctologist
Michael,
Give your job description - I was not sure if that was
As a member of the RELAX WG team I'm very proud to
let everyone know that the first release is now
published.
Want tools? Go over to the RELAX section of the
OASIS web site - http:/www.oasis-open.org and
download a selection of converters and validators
along with source code samplers.
One
participating in these around the
busy holiday season.
Thanks, David RR Webber.
VP Business Development, XML Global Technologies.
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information you wish to present, then you should make those
details clear.
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The First Fifty Years
Congratulations! You've just been named CIO of J. Lyons
Co., a prosperous British firm with a chain of tea shops and
popular brands of baked goods and ice cream. The board of
directors expects your department to streamline
Ginny,
Happy to oblige. Of course you can all also buy the
ebXML book Alan and I wrote ; -)
http://ebxmlbooks.com
but if your budget is tight then try the PPT:
http://people.xmlglobal.com/david/ebXML
You will need to press F5 and 'run' the slides and
use the navigation buttons to jump to
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That I haven't here been favored with a review of the manuscript of Alan
and
David,
1. http://www.ddj.com/topics/xml/
Scroll to Suggested Reading
2. Excerpts
http://b2b.ebizq.net/
http://www.vbxml.com/b2b/articles/ebxml/default.asp
And of course
As we wind out the year here I'd like to share some thoughts on
progress made and next steps ahead.
My primary focus this year has been ebXML.
Landmark achievements abound. The first global initiative on
eBusiness with XML, and the first to show that the internet can
deliver rapid standards
http://www.nextwareexpo.com/spring2002/attend-specevents.asp
Look forward to meeting members during this
event.
Thanks, DW.
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The NESPOLE project aims to enable multilingual communications
between Web users and live human operators, with the Internet
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NESPOLE
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You can get a free demo CD for the EDI XML translator
Folks,
We've have wandered too far from the original question here!
I think I have to ask that this thread not breakdown into a
string of 'me too' eval' CD / Website download links.
We are well
Remy,
Excellent. I wish you much success with this in 2002. We can all learn
from
each other here.
Some thoughts my side is that some of what you need may already be
covered off by the tri-lingual work done for BSR - Alain is the contact
there.
Alain Chapdaniel
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Intellor Inc and XML Global are pleased to offer a live
2002 event.
We are as a group always looking at ways to bring the
digital revolution to fruition and expanding the ways
we can interact together.
I'm excited about the opportunities this medium opens
up for us, and how this first step
Still time to signup and join us for this session.
Here is the link to access this to signup
for the Friday session at 1PM EST.
http://www.intellor.com/education/channels/?aid=22
DW.
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FYI,
XML.com article. Examplotron is also cool
technology for defining context within EDI
structures...more on that anon!!
DW.
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does anyone outside
of a small community of SGML/XML gurus really think that RELAX NG has a
snowball's chance of success when considered against the mindshare and
cachet
of W3C schema?
Mike.
It is down to vendors providing tools. We (XMLG)
http://www.xml.org/xml/newsletter_latest.html
Clearly on-the-wire processing of business transactions is going
to be founded in XML - and the simpler the better - is my mantra
here.
UML is useful is architecting complex solutions and managing
extended networks of interactions. That is a whole
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Gosh!
We've had e- b- a- and now c- : but wait only another 23 letters to go!
How many more revolutions can the wheel make before the treads
run bare???
Sad thing is all these ideas are not new - just re-packaged and
marketed.
Everything in America seems to follow hamburgers - how many ways
Planning your next big product marketing campaign???
Why use expensive analysts?
This web site can help!
http://www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html
DW.
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Have you tried the WSDL based xCBL 3.5 catalog structure.
Kelly,
This sounds VERY complicated.Assimulation of multiple
technology layers to get it working.
Is it? Has anyone got it working?
DW.
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I do in various forms and shape but, being based in Europe, I work with
EDIFACT data. In fact I wrote about that technique in Applied XML
Solutions.
We're have other projects where we convert from in-house file (flat files
or CSV) to XML
Message text written by OLIVOLA Peter
Those with XML capability can read either a DTD or
schema. This leaves only the mapping. I'm still trying to understand what
is so special about the X12 to XML1 to XML2 approach.
Peter,
Some would argue that once you have all this in XSLT then the
Message text written by OLIVOLA Peter
The question I keep asking and that is finally being answered honestly is;
how does XML resolve differences in the meaning of ship date?
Peter,
The answer is 'it does not!' and never was designed to. XML is
simply markup - what you need is semantics.
Peter,
Thank you for stating this thumbnail so eloquently.
EXACTLY!!! This is right on with what ebXML is moving to
achieve - using the Registry to store the central published
artifacts. Then the Core Component and Realization work provides
a common format to express semantics, and then the
Rachel,
This is very gratifying to see someone make a sensible statement.
The W3C line is that all you have to do is create a bunch of Schemas
and XSLT and all will be sunshine and light.
Clearly people have spent $$$ on such B2B implementations and
realized this comes up way short.
The real
FYI,
DW.
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All,
Because many of you have requested it, we have just published a new white
paper describing OAGIS as a Canonical Model for
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David,
It's always been the priniciple that you have to create your own
activity here!
We know that fully 45% of members of the list are outside of N.America,
and as Alan noted, the Pacific Rim is a sizable percentage of that.
In the past members have posted messages such as :
meeting in
John Cowan has created an awesome set of tutorials here.
He convincingly shows how quickly you can start
using the new RELAX compact syntax - which is
designed to allow humans to quickly key in
schemas.
Enjoy, DW.
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I'm very pleased to let everyone know that an article on Registries
has just been released by the respected Electronics Markets Journal.
It is available online as a PDF download.
Registration is required to download the article, but that is free.
FYI - this is now available.
http://www.certivo.net/education/courses/business/ebxml1.htm
DW.
ebXML: Architecture and Business Processes
Drake Certivo's ebXML: Architecture and Business Processes course
highlights this emerging standard that enables enterprises worldwide to
conduct
Seems like we've been overlooking something all these
years.
Could this be what Bill Gates was thinking last month when
he talked about switching between business applications?!?
This does sound really easy so long as you have Windows
installed of course, and ebXML as your underlying
http://searchwebservices.techtarget.com/content/0,290959,sid26_gci847819,00.html
Topic: Making e-business standards work with Web services.
Date: September 26, 2002
When: Sep 26, 2002 at 02:00 PM EDT (18:00 GMT)
Speaker: David R.R. Webber
Learn how to make e-business standards work with Web
http://ebpml.org
http://www.ebpml.org/bpel4ws.htm
Jean-Jacques excells here.
Hats off for superb analysis, quotes, comments and site.
My question is - when do we get to stop all
this running after cats - and get one coherent
approach?
Is this so tough?? After all we have the one
multimedia
Superb analysis here by Alan.
http://www.webservices.org/index.php/article/articleview/447/1/24
Definately recommended for weekend reading.
Enjoy, DW.
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Déjà lu depuis longtemps, David ! Et apprécié !
Claude
Claude,
J'évidemment dois me lever beaucoup plus tôt le
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Salute,
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Huge lesson here IMHO - technology is not a salve for
poor business practices.
And eBusiness implementations must always go to
the business / people rational first - technology
second.
DW.
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According to
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Drummond Group, Inc. today announced the launch of the second ebXML
messaging interoperability test with twelve participating vendors. The
test is sponsored under the Uniform Code Council
I wrote on this topic the other week so I was very gratified to
see that my vision of webservices as Realtime EDI
equivalents has been echoed here.
Of course what this gentleman is failing to realize is that
ebXML provides robust interchange management
already.
But then we can educate him!
This recent article is identifying the problem - that the XML/edi Group
highlighted almost 6 years ago in defining next generation
EDI requirements.
Headline: XML's ticking time bomb! :-
http://news.com.com/2010-1071-961117.html?tag=fd_nc_1
They are making the right points - but arriving
FYI,
Please see the request below.
Also note that we will be providing speaker materials
and support too to assist in the process and
give speakers a jump start.
Look forward to participation from our members.
You should respond directly to Alexei.
Thanks, DW
Co-Chair ebXML Awareness TC -
Ed',
Thanks for the question. The ebXML Awareness team is indeed
working on materials to articulate the need to realize how to
use ebXML and WS to maximum advantage.
We should have these available within a couple of weeks.
In a nutshell though it comes down to maturity of delivery
mechanisms
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