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See e.g. [1]
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[1] https://yade-dem.org/doc/user.html#micro-stress-and-micro-strain
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Hello,
in general, you measure strain together with time.
Knowing both strain and time, strain rate should be easy.
So you k
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> Whether spheres, facets, interactions, and contactpoints in ParaView
have the same units as those in Yade?
Yade have no units, just numbers.
What you import in Parav
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> I ... use export.text()
> export.textExt("positions.txt")
please be consistent.
> but I
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
> How the stiffness between courrugated plate (/\/\/\/\) and particles
is measured?
It depends how you define it.
You can then m
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> I expect that the function O.foreces.f(id) would calculate contacted
stresses.
It calculates force (not stress).
B
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Hello,
to get interaction of specific body, use [1]:
bodyIntrs = b.intrs()
To get interaction of multiple bodies, do:
bs = [bott
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> Does the problem with my script or with something else?
yes, it is the script
As the error says, in your simulation yo
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> I want to know the meaning of coordnumber, ‘Vec’, and ‘Len’.
The code is IMO self-explanatory, but:
('coordnumber
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> but I will not visualize it.
> but I need to visualize it.
Please be consistent
> What else do I need to do?
You
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> pack.inEllipsoid((1,2,1),(1,1,1),(1,1,1))
> is this right?
No.
The easiest way is to try it. It would result
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> Now I have a problem
> What else do I need to do?
please describe properly the problem, no clear problem is visible in
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> to simulate the rotational laying powder process in Additive
Manufacturing
please describe it more in detail for those who are out of this field
(e.g. me).
> Theref
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> When I run the code the terminal shows 'BoxFactory' object has no
attribute 'id'.
it is because BoxFactory has no attriute id..
You cannot use it like this.
> I
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> whether I can also make a distinction in static and sliding friction?
in general (e.g. implementing it from scratch) yes.
> Is such a distinction possible with a st
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thanks for more info
> Once the code was executed at the "stabilization stage", the program
crashed.
Then I am not able to reproduce it, the execution rea
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> this code always crashes (segmentation fault) at the stabilization
stage.
please provide more information for tho
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> my script.py
always try to provide a MWE [1] and/or give relevant information [1]
(e.g. Yade version)
From the error m
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
Hello,
the problem is visualization of the infinite object :-) and its automation
(what should be the shape? what s
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> frictionAngle=0.65; i.e. approx. 37.5°
> the friction coefficient μ ( approx. 0.75)
μ=0.75 means frictionAngle=atan(0
Question #707350 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský posted a new comment:
dark Yade windows (GUI, plot, 3D view) is the result of
O.run(...,wait=True), when all python Yade (including the windows) waits
for C++ part to be finished.
You can try
Question #707350 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
Hello,
you can use approach similar to [1], i.e.
###
while True:
O.run(N,True)
if stopCondition():
break
###
Cheers
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
Hello,
> I am a newcomer
welcome :-)
Please provide more information [1]:
- what is the purpose of "real terrain"
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
Hi! Jan,
Thank you very much for your advice and answers. Most problems have been
solved according to your answers, but “SyntaxEr
Question #707278 on Yade changed:
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> Yes. But the difficulty is that it's hard to determine proper
proportional parameters for kP, kI, and kD.
I have no personal experience.
I suggest reading the wikipe
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> axis = Vector3(x-x_cyl, y-y_cyl, 0)
probably it should be opposite, Vector3(x_cyl-x, y_cyl-y, 0) to point inside
the cylinder (not outside)?
Currently the membr
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
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> I am a new user of Yade
welcome :-)
> the terminal shows “SyntaxError: invalid syntax”
the terminal shows
Question #707278 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
> the number of nodes is not consistent with what I expected
You have to question whether expectation or realization is wrong
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
> for the 'axis' mentioned in PIDController, should it be defined
individually for each node
yes
> like this?
in ge
Question #707285 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
Hello,
> I can't find a functor for interactions between box-type objects.
There is 'Ig2_Sphere_Sphere_ScGeom()' f
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
Hello,
> don't know how to use the ServoPIDController to achieve servo control
of the flexible membrane with confining pr
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
Hello,
> 1) ... plate is supposed to move, but actually does not ...
It actually does move.
Instead of
O.run()
I used
##
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
Hello,
[1] is a good starting point for discussion.
Also see similar discussions [2,3]
What would be the use of the same "kn&
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You may also consider creating a new question aiming to the servo control, as
here it might be already too "deep" in the thread.
Also, it is a separa
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
There is an example [5].
you can play with iterPeriod (try 10 or 1 instead of 1000) and/or other
parameters.
The referenced source c
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Hello,
please be more specific.
- what exactly does "deploy" mean?
- what is "the HPC"? What O
Question #707210 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
> cannot visualize the force
> I an able to export interaction but they have constant value over the
> simulation.
k
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
> I am not sure whether the principle of the ServoPIDController is the
same as that in PFC
yes, it looks pretty similar [4]
Chee
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Jan Stránský requested more information:
Have you tried ServoPIDController [1]?
If yes, why it did not help?
Cheers
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[1] https://yade-
dem.org/doc/yade.wrapper.h
Question #707210 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
There are more options, mainly:
1) do real separate export e.g. using export.VTKExporter
2) do standard one-file export and
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Hello,
> ... a simulation with Geogrid and Balls.
what are "Geogrid" and "Balls"?
Why capital lette
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
Hello,
> the following code
plsease always try to make your code MWE [1].
To export and visualize particles, you do no
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
>> The loading is simply such that a constant velocity is prescribed
>> (s.state.vel = ...)
> But which velocity val
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Also, the source of segmentation fault can be hinted by the output of
catchsegv yade script.py
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Jan Stránský requested more information:
> How do I achieve servo control? I am still not clear about this
e.g. using ServoPIDController [1]
>
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
Hello,
1) Yes
2) triax.py
3) How do I achieve servo control?
4) [1]
- what does "are destroyed" mean?
- please pr
Question #707124 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
> the id=3841 in the error report exceeds the number of particles I imported
> via yade
> However, I did not figu
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Jan Stránský requested more information:
Hello,
what version of Yade and operating system are you using [1]?
I was not able to reproduced it (it works OK) on Ubuntu 22
Question #707137 on Yade changed:
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>> The steps on how to reset and start simulations from the beginning vary
>> depending on the simulation software that you are using. However, here are
>>
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
Hello,
> run simulations like batch mode but without using the actual batch
mode
Batch mode is exactly for this purposes.
If yo
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
Hello,
> ubantu 16.04 system
Ubuntu?
Try not to make needless typos.
As the error says, Yade does not know how t
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> he cylinder generated using your suggested method is hollow and I want a
> solid cylinder.
> other solid
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Hello,
> I am currently facing a lot of difficulties during the installation
process and
please be more specific (see
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Hello,
any difference from https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/707025 ?
Cheers
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
> whether it is applicable to use bonded particles representing flexible
membrane instead of PFacet?
yes, I think it is another
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Hello,
I could not reproduce the problem
Ubuntu 22.04
Yade 2022.01a and yadedaily (20230525-7264~94b01fd~jammy1)
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Probably because the problem was in O.saveTmp(), and if you do not use it, the
problem has no way to occure..
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Yes, [Kozicki2012] uses "regular" (symmetric) shapes.
Just an idea to use this concept of "suitably" overlapping spheres, which would
represent more real
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
or use a different packing method than regularHexa, see e.g. [Kozicki2012] [2]
Cheers
Jan
[2] https://www.yade-dem.org/
Question #706962 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
> no match for (0,1)
first of all, you did not specify the match for material 0 (the very
first O.materials.ap
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Hello,
I was not able to reproduce the problem (Yade 2022.01a, Ubuntu 22.04).
What version of OS and Yade do you use [1]?
Che
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Hello,
> whether polyhedral particles are suitable for triaxial tests？
yes
> How computationally efficient is it
obviously i
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Jan Stránský posted a new comment:
Thanks.
The upper part of the catchsegv output is the relevant part.
There some lines concerning Yade, but I cannot tell where is the problem..
Cheers
Jan
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what is the output of
catchsegv yade script.py
?
or simply how you run yade, just catchsegv in front of the command
Cheers
Question #706865 on Yade changed:
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Hi,
> I wonder if I am doing correct about deleting clumps in my simulation.
obviously not, if "but nothing work&
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Hello,
> if it is correct to put the code under def checkunbalancedForce()
please use actual names to prevent con
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Please define (or rather adjust) "constant pressure simple shear"
Simple shear is simple = just plain shear, no pressure applied.
By applying additiona
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Segmentation fault in C++ context is if you try to access attributes or methods
on a null pointer. Usually it consequence of a clear bug or some sircumstances,
that have
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Thanks for informations.
I have tried it without GUI
yade -n script.py
without error.
Could you please test it?
Cheers
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Hello,
> What I am gonna ask is a simple question.
Actually it can be very complex :-)
> If I know the normal
Question #706848 on Yade changed:
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Hello,
> I found out that this example program is "constant volume" periodic simple
> shear.
> So we
Question #706850 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
Hello,
> sphere_obj.color = color
sphere_obj.shape.color = color # [1]
Cheers
Jan
[1] https://yade-dem.org/doc/yade.wrappe
Question #706843 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský requested more information:
Hello,
there are more recent threads [2].
Please provide [1]:
- MWE
- system version
- output of "catchsegv yade s
Question #706838 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
Hello,
what is actually the problem / your question?
You describe the situation, but you do not state which part is your problem.
You
Question #706823 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský posted a new comment:
Hello,
this is really very subjective, optimum value may vary with respect to what
optimum you define.
How realistic it should be (=the more balls the better)?
How fast
Question #706817 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
Hello,
> I noticed some particles flying out of the boundary
in which phase of the simulation?
> young = 5e6 # contact
Question #706797 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
>> You can print the value before O.pause()
>What value to print?
> Do you mean print unbalancedForce before O.pause().
Question #706787 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský requested more information:
Hello,
in GUI I also see the correct material.
Could you please provide a screenshot (as an external link to google dr
Question #706797 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
Most likely option is that it met the condition " unbalancedForce() < 0.01" in
checkUnbalanced() function, wher
Question #706664 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
Hello,
thanks for the code, now it is much more clear
> except for the last line
see below
> From the documentation I u
Question #706790 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský posted a new comment:
I understand that for actual simulation, you use that many particles.
My point was that for this forum and for higher probability of good answer (I
was not able to run
Question #706790 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
Hello,
please provide a MWE [1], M = minimal
Is 5 millions spheres needed to demonstrate your problem?
"bursting" mi
Question #706786 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský posted a new comment:
Hello,
> ##My Code##
please try to use MWE [1], M = minimal.
For this case, a few "hardcoded" spheres is enough for the export / import
purposes (see belo
Question #706787 on Yade changed:
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Status: Open => Needs information
Jan Stránský requested more information:
> By adding the the spheres the material type of walls change
please provide the method how you got this information.
I
Question #706779 on Yade changed:
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Jan Stránský posted a new comment:
I have no idea myself.
I suspect the triax engine to do some division by O.dt for stress controlled
walls.
You / somebody else can dig into source code if you want or somebody
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