Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-22 Thread robert rottermann
Rocky Burt wrote: Max M wrote: If there is another practical way to do it, that would be fine too. I don't know about sqllite. But if it's more difficulte than dropping a package into a directory it would be bad. Personally I'd be a huge proponent of including SQLite in zope core.

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-22 Thread Tino Wildenhain
robert rottermann schrieb: Rocky Burt wrote: Max M wrote: If there is another practical way to do it, that would be fine too. I don't know about sqllite. But if it's more difficulte than dropping a package into a directory it would be bad. Personally I'd be a huge proponent of

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-22 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 22. Dezember 2005 12:32:07 +0100 Tino Wildenhain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont think we should inlcude more 3rd party products into zope core unless they are required for core funtionality. And a random database adaptor isnt really core functionality. Another point: with Zope 2.10

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-22 Thread robert rottermann
Andreas Jung wrote: --On 22. Dezember 2005 12:32:07 +0100 Tino Wildenhain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont think we should inlcude more 3rd party products into zope core unless they are required for core funtionality. And a random database adaptor isnt really core functionality. Another

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-22 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 22. Dezember 2005 15:20:27 +0100 robert rottermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I perfectly agree with both of these arguments. However having a dead easy to use RDBMS tool is very convenient. Both for teaching and marketing purposes. I agree (meanwhile) but we have to sort out the

[Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-22 Thread Rocky Burt
Andreas Jung wrote: --On 22. Dezember 2005 15:20:27 +0100 robert rottermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I perfectly agree with both of these arguments. However having a dead easy to use RDBMS tool is very convenient. Both for teaching and marketing purposes. I agree (meanwhile) but

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-22 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 22. Dezember 2005 11:42:30 -0330 Rocky Burt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you mentioned before about importing sqlite into svn.zope.org, you were talking about actually including a snapshot of sqlite inside zope source rather than making it a build time requirement? I really don't

[Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-22 Thread Rocky Burt
Andreas Jung wrote: --On 22. Dezember 2005 11:42:30 -0330 Rocky Burt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you mentioned before about importing sqlite into svn.zope.org, you were talking about actually including a snapshot of sqlite inside zope source rather than making it a build time requirement?

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-22 Thread Chris McDonough
sqlite is public domain code, FWIW. I doubt this is incompatible with the ZPL. It would just require an acknowledgement from ZC that it's safe to be included in a Zope distro. - C On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:14 AM, Rocky Burt wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: --On 22. Dezember 2005 11:42:30 -0330

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-22 Thread Dario Lopez-Kästen
Rocky Burt wrote: Well, if we simply suck sqlite in as a build time requirement (during the 'make' process) do we care about importing non-ZPL code into svn.zope.org? We would only care about licensing when distributing binaries that include sqlite, no? will this imply that I need to have

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-22 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 22. Dezember 2005 12:44:23 -0330 Rocky Burt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if we simply suck sqlite in as a build time requirement (during the 'make' process) do we care about importing non-ZPL code into svn.zope.org? We would only care about licensing when distributing binaries that

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-22 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Rocky Burt schrieb: Andreas Jung wrote: --On 22. Dezember 2005 15:20:27 +0100 robert rottermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I perfectly agree with both of these arguments. However having a dead easy to use RDBMS tool is very convenient. Both for teaching and marketing purposes. I agree

[Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-21 Thread Max M
Andreas Jung wrote: Hi, - Gadfly(DA) - do we really need this? We discussed this already. In my opinion the purpose of Gadfly is only educational but nothing that one really needs or uses for production. It could be removed and made available for download on zope.org. -1 From time

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-21 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 21. Dezember 2005 17:10:19 +0100 Max M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there is another practical way to do it, that would be fine too. I don't know about sqllite. But if it's more difficulte than dropping a package into a directory it would be bad. I mentioned to make it available as

[Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-21 Thread Rocky Burt
Max M wrote: If there is another practical way to do it, that would be fine too. I don't know about sqllite. But if it's more difficulte than dropping a package into a directory it would be bad. Personally I'd be a huge proponent of including SQLite in zope core. It is extraordinarilly

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-21 Thread Chris Withers
Jeff Kowalczyk wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: I'll raise the question again: what are the benefits of the HelpSys for a Zope user? I can't recall clicking on top frame of the ZMI or a 'Help!' link in the past few years, either. Perhaps an equivalent or greater benefit would be to rip out

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-21 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 21. Dezember 2005 17:23:26 -0330 Rocky Burt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I'd be a huge proponent of including SQLite in zope core. It is extraordinarilly functional and has few requirements. I particularly like using it to ensure unit tests against RDBMS connections work

[Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-20 Thread Florent Guillaume
Andreas Jung wrote: for next release we plan to replace several parts with the corresponding components from Zope 3 (e.g. ZPT´). Philipp is working on a proposal on that issue. In addition I would like to get rid of some old stuff that is no longer maintained and buggy: - ZopeTutorial

[Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-20 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 20. Dezember 2005 14:05:26 +0100 Florent Guillaume [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Gadfly(DA) - do we really need this? We discussed this already. In my opinion the purpose of Gadfly is only educational but nothing that one really needs or uses for production. It could be removed and

[Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-20 Thread Jeff Kowalczyk
Andreas Jung wrote: I'll raise the question again: what are the benefits of the HelpSys for a Zope user? I can't recall clicking on top frame of the ZMI or a 'Help!' link in the past few years, either. Perhaps an equivalent or greater benefit would be to rip out locally installed static help