Thanks, Tim. All,
I will look closer at the distribution and use of software for browsing the internet securely, instead of participation metrics. There is at least one source, StatCounter (https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share), that purports to measure use of browsing software, both globally and regionally. Would it be worthwhile to explore distribution by region and come up with a reasonable threshold? Can we rely on StatCounter, or should we look elsewhere? Thanks, Ben On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 9:30 AM Tim Hollebeek via Servercert-wg < servercert-wg@cabforum.org> wrote: > I have a meaningful comment. > > > > I don’t want to ever have to discuss or judge whether someone’s comment is > “meaningful” or not, and I don’t think incentivizing people to post more > comments than they otherwise would is helpful. > > > > I also think getting the chairs involved in any way in discussing whether > a member representative did or did not have a medical condition during a > particular time period is an extremely bad idea. > > > > Given that the original issue was trying to determine whether a > certificate consumer is in fact a legitimate player in the ecosystem or > not, I would suggest that exploring metrics like market share might be far > more useful. Metrics like participation are rather intrusive and onerous, > except to those who are trying to game them, and those trying to game such > metrics will succeed with little or no effort. > > > > -Tim > > > > *From:* Servercert-wg <servercert-wg-boun...@cabforum.org> *On Behalf Of > *Roman > Fischer via Servercert-wg > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 12, 2023 7:23 AM > *To:* CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List < > servercert-wg@cabforum.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Servercert-wg] Participation Proposal for Revised SCWG > Charter > > > > Dear Ben, > > > > Mandatory participation has in my experience never resulted in more or > better discussions. People will dial into the telco and let it run in the > background to “earn the credits”. > > > > Also, what would happen after the 90 day suspension? Would the > organization be removed as a CA/B member? > > > > Rgds > Roman > > > > *From:* Servercert-wg <servercert-wg-boun...@cabforum.org> *On Behalf Of *Ben > Wilson via Servercert-wg > *Sent:* Freitag, 7. Juli 2023 21:59 > *To:* CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List < > servercert-wg@cabforum.org> > *Subject:* [Servercert-wg] Participation Proposal for Revised SCWG Charter > > > > All, > > > > Here is a draft participation proposal for the SCWG to consider and > discuss for inclusion in a revised SCWG Charter. > > > > #. Participation Requirements to Maintain Voting Privileges > > > > (a) Attendance. The privilege to vote “Yes” or “No” on ballots is > suspended for 90 days if a Voting Member fails to meet the following > attendance requirement over any 365-day period: > > - 10% of SCWG meetings for Voting Members located in time zones offset > by UTC +5 through UTC +12 > - 30% of SCWG meetings for Voting Members located in all other time > zones > > (b) Meaningful Comments. Posting a Meaningful Comment is an alternative > means of meeting the attendance requirement in subsection (a). A Voting > Member can earn an attendance credit to make up for each missed meeting by > posting a Meaningful Comment to the SCWG Public Mail List. Each Meaningful > Comment is equal to attending one (1) meeting. > > > > A Meaningful Comment is one that follows the Code of Conduct and provides > relevant information to the SCWG, such as new information, an insight, > suggestion, or perspective related to the Scope of the SCWG, or that > proposes an improvement to the TLS Baseline Requirements or EV Guidelines. > It can also be something that responds to or builds on the comments of > others in a meaningful way, or that offers feedback, suggestions, or > solutions to the issues or challenges raised by the topic of discussion. > > > > A Meaningful Comment should be both relevant (within the Scope of the > SCWG or related to the discussion that is taking place on the mailing > list) and well-supported (clear reasons why the Voting Representative > believes what they believe and supported by facts, data, or other > information.) > > > > (c) A Voting Member that has failed to meet the attendance requirement in > subsection (a) above is considered an "Inactive Member". Any Member who > believes that any other Member is an Inactive Member may report that Member > on the Forum's Management List by providing specific information about that > Member's non-participation, and the SCWG Chair shall send written notice > to the Inactive Member by email within seven (7) calendar days. The notice > will include a reminder of the requirement to participate and inform the > Inactive Member of the consequences of not participating. > > > > (d) Suspension of Voting Privileges. The Inactive Member's privilege to > vote “Yes” or “No” on any ballot shall be temporarily suspended for a > period of 90 days from the date of the notice. During the suspension > period, the Inactive Member may vote “Abstain” on ballots. > > > > (e) Restoration of Voting Privilege. Voting privileges will be > automatically restored to the Inactive Member upon attending three > consecutive meetings. The restoration of voting privileges will be > effective on the next ballot that enters the voting period after the > Inactive Member meets the reactivation criteria. > > > > (f) Exceptional Circumstances. In cases where an Inactive Member can > demonstrate justifiable reasons for their inability to participate, such as > medical conditions or other extenuating circumstances affecting their > Voting Representative(s), the SCWG Chair may review and consider > reinstating voting privileges on a case-by-case basis. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ben > _______________________________________________ > Servercert-wg mailing list > Servercert-wg@cabforum.org > https://lists.cabforum.org/mailman/listinfo/servercert-wg >
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