It seems I made a minor mistake on "classic Latin script" According to link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Latin_alphabet J U W are not included in "classic Latin script".
Tulasi From: Tulasi <tulas...@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:53:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Latin Script To: vanis...@boil.afraid.org Cc: Edward Cherlin <echer...@gmail.com>, unicode@unicode.org, Mark Davis ☕ <m...@macchiato.com>, Otto Stolz <otto.st...@uni-konstanz.de>, Jonathan Rosenne <j...@qsm.co.il> Actually, if I do not see letters/symbols along with names, in some cases I cannot recognize. I am not a typographer either. So like Edward -> Close, but not quite. Consider LATIN SMALL LETTER PHI (ɸ) it would be great should you please post both name & letter/symbol associated with the name. Van -> Do you want to consider Y and Z as not Latin letters, because they were borrowed from Greek I din't think Latin speakers borrowed. From my memory hole they had adopted from Greek. And since this adoption was the work of true Latin speakers all ALL CAPS, i.e., A B C ... ... ... Z are known to be "classic Latin script". Also see the email by Jonathan Rosenne. If you read Edward's email he highlighted on chronology (of adoption from different scripts). Did true Latin speakers adopt LATIN SMALL LETTER PHI (ɸ) to Latin script? Or was it done very recently after Unicode was created? May I ask Van please, can you post both names & symbols/letters that you referred in your email? Also please show how how GREEK SMALL LETTER PHI looks like. This will help me to understand! Thanks, Tulasi From: vanis...@boil.afraid.org Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:43:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Latin Script To: Tulasi <tulas...@gmail.com>, Edward Cherlin <echer...@gmail.com> Cc: unicode@unicode.org, Mark Davis ☕ <m...@macchiato.com>, Otto Stolz <otto.st...@uni-konstanz.de>, vanis...@boil.afraid.org, Jonathan Rosenne <j...@qsm.co.il> From: Tulasi <tulas...@gmail.com> > Thanks for the input Edward! > Yep, I shell explore time-chronology as well. > > Edward -> Close, but not quite. Consider LATIN SMALL LETTER PHI (ɸ). Amazingly, I consider Latin Small Letter Phi to be a part of the Latin script. Why?: in my typographic life, I would design it differently from Greek small Letter Phi. The Greek phi needs to work with other Greek letters. The Latin phi needs to work in phonetic notation, which is Latin letters; it needs to have more contrast with Latin Small Letter Q than the Greek phi, so it has an ascender. As a Classicist, a Greek phi with an ascender interrupts the flow of text, unless in a slant font, so it is designed quite differently from Latin Small Letter Phi. It's just like Cyrillic Dze and Sha, which have been borrowed from Latin and Coptic, are designed and act like Cyrillic letters. > Mark gave a new link of letter/symbol that has LATIN (thanks Mark!): > Mark -> > http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=[:script=Latn:]&g=age > > Now, how many letters/symbols in that link are like "LATIN SMALL > LETTER PHI (ɸ)", i.e., not from Latin-script? there's really no way to make any sort of distinction like that. Do you want to consider Y and Z as not Latin letters, because they were borrowed from Greek, not adapted from Etruscan? How about Þ and Wynn? They are from Runic. Should U+019B, Latin Small Letter Lambda with Stroke be considered not Latin, even though it is not found in any other script? There are a number of these, and the only classification that is not completely arbitrary is to consider them ALL to be part of the Latin script, including Latin Small Letter Phi. > Also, how do I find the list of letters/symbols that do not have LATIN > in names but from Latin-script? The Spacing Modfier Letters and Combining Diacritical Marks may also need to be included for a really comprehensive list, and these are contained in their own blocks, Phonetic Extensions, and Phonetic Extensions Supplement. Then the question is whether you should include Devanagari Om. What about Currency signs? Punctuation? Should it simply be the union of Script=common and Script=Latin? Script=common includes puntucation from all languages, so you end up with Dandas and Arabic commas, is that right? The question really only makes sense if it has context: for what purpose are you defining something as Latin script? > Tulasi Van
