Right, that's my point about differences on the same coin. Even if it was 50/50... who then determines what is right or not if there's nothing unilateral?
ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Gena" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For the record, a lot of African-Americans dislike, abhor and will not > watch BET. It has not been "BET" since it was sold it to Sumner > Redstone's Viacom. It was sliding downhill before the purchase. > > Viacom has systematically stripped BET of its news and public affairs > departments, the hours of faith based programming and anything else > that did not include a 40oz and a gold chain. They amplify the stereotype. > > There are alternatives like TVOne http://www.tvoneonline.com and > formerly the Black Family Channel which is making its transition to > broadband distribution. > > This is why videoblogging and alternative media distribution is so > important. > > And would Chris Rock need to insert a clip from a poontang clip to > make his point? > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Rice" <eric@> wrote: > > > > > > I was imagining the swath of video's comments if it was on YouTube. I > > also imagined this video if Chris Rock did it. > > > > I also keep thinking about that "Read a Book" animated short that was > > featured on BET some time ago that made the rounds. (NSFW, language, > > etc, disclaim, disclaim, etc) http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1767003 > > > > Do we allow ourselves to find something funny if we have the context > > around it to imply that it's okay? "A black guy did it and BET > > approves" for example, kinda says a lot. If a white guy did "Read a > > Book"...? Holy crap. > > > > The other problem is the universal belief in what's acceptable or not. > > Take two people, same race, opposing opinions on the word 'nigga' for > > example. > > > > It's an awesome argument that can never be won or lost. > > > > ER > > > > > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Hope" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > Bourgeois? This sort of humor is much, much more commonly enjoyed by > > lower class whites. In educated circles, such as this list, racist > > humor is universally denounced. As the past 30 emails monotonously > > indicate! > > > > > > In other cultures around the world, racist humor is typically > > acceptable, only liberal western societies having declared war upon it > > in the name of globalism. Instead of exhibiting white privledge, this > > episode exhibits white repression, being the unique culture where > > xenophobia is forbidden. > > > > > > > > > --- original message --- > > > From: "Jeffrey Taylor" <thejeffreytaylor@> > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] For Dan McVicar (was Re: Loren Feldman > > = Technigga) > > > Date: August 5, 2007 > > > Time: 3:42:39 > > > > > > If the piece were thought-provoking and went beyond the tactics of > > > neo-blackface tactics found amongst white American bourgeois males > (see > > > links below, and those are merely the ones I could find in a two > minute > > > span) to make his point, I would say Loren Feldman was an artist and > > not a > > > self-indulgent, racist attention whore. > > > > > > What's sad is that even if Feldman had the best of intentions, he > > endorses > > > and encourages the use of "satire" as a means of confirming one's > > privileged > > > white straight bourgeois place in society by so clearly displaying and > > > making fun of what one is not in front of their white straight > bourgeois > > > peers. > > > > > > Is it any coincidence that Feldman, a hungry and driven entrepreneur > > moving > > > in circles dominated by white straight bourgeois males (several with > > money > > > to part with), would feel no qualms in posting such a thing? > > > > > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=7H52mjVINt4 > > > > > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=XLh7AvyWk1Q > > > > > > http://radgeek.com/gt/2006/11/03/thanks_bro > > > > > > http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0DXK/is_17_20/ai_110263213 > > > > > > http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_tol.jsp?id=713 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 05/08/07, Bill Cammack <BillCammack@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > Rupert <rupert@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hey Bill, > > > > > > > > > > Interesting post. I noticed straightaway that you posted here > and on > > > > > Twitter with no explanation or comment, and figured you were > fishing > > > > > for our reactions. > > > > > > > > > > I don't doubt that he's well-connected and clued-up. I agree with > > > > > you that I'm sure he doesn't "believe that's the only way the > black > > > > > TechCrunch could possibly be". And as you say, I'm sure he doesn't > > > > > think this stuff and that his view of black people isn't that > > limited. > > > > > > > > > > And I'm fine with him dissing people. I think attacking people > > > > > personally and aggressively and making fun of them is a > terrible way > > > > > to make a living, but I don't have to watch. > > > > > > > > Yes. IMO, it's unfortunate. You hear stories of rock bands where the > > > > members detest each other, but they have no other way of making good > > > > money, so they stay together. Terrible way to make a living, but > > > > better than minimum wage. There are lots of people with no niche at > > > > all. Some of them wish they could be sarcastic and caustic... Others > > > > are glad that that's not their lot in life. > > > > > > > > > I've thought this all along, and so I don't feel "Hornswoggled" > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > For me, the point is that whatever he believes, "starting a > > > > > conversation" and "satire... to bring up a point" is not enough > > > > > justification for this video. > > > > > > > > Good point. There are many BETTER ways to start the exact same > > > > conversation without offending people. > > > > > > > > > Perhaps he thinks his role is to break the boundaries of what we > > > > > consider acceptable and be a shit-stirrer. Fair play. But I say > > > > > that there are some things that I'd rather people didn't mess > about > > > > > with like rebellious kids, and then claim they have some kind of > > > > > moral diplomatic immunity because what they're doing is 'satire'. > > > > > > > > > > As in everything, there's a line you can cross where you start > doing > > > > > more harm than good. Where that line is, it's hard to tell - so if > > > > > you care about not doing harm, you have to be careful. Unless you > > > > > don't care about what harm you do because the controversy > helps you > > > > > get more viewers. > > > > > > > > Or, unless you don't care what harm you do to people, PERIOD. My > goal > > > > is not to defend the person or the methods, and certainly not the > > > > EFFECT on people. > > > > > > > > > He says "Art is a subjective thing" which is a totally different > > > > > argument, and used like this is as big a cop-out as a priest > saying > > > > > "God moves in mysterious ways" to explain a massive loss of life > > from > > > > > a natural disaster. It's worse than lazy thinking, it's > cowardice - > > > > > as is him not commenting or responding to questions. If you don't > > > > > have the intellectual chops or courage to back something like this > > > > > up, don't do it in the first place. > > > > > > > > No doubt, Rupert. None whatsoever. That's why I was waiting before I > > > > commented. I wanted to see what his participation was going to be in > > > > the conversation that he started, but so far, it's been ZERO. > > > > > > > > > So whatever he really thinks, and whatever spin he puts on it, I > > > > > reserve my right to call him a dickhead who's doing more harm than > > > > > good with this video. Without me being accused of being > > > > > 'hornswoggled' or 'not getting it'. > > > > > > > > Yes Sir. Absolutely. Same to Gena, who commented earlier. I'm not > > > > trying to make excuses for him or the effect he's had on people. > It's > > > > cruel as well as unfortunate. > > > > > > > > > And I still think the main reason he went through with it was > to get > > > > > a bigger audience, not to 'start a conversation' with any real > > > > > benefits for the community. Whatever. I'm done. > > > > > > > > It's possible. I said in my post that I could be completely wrong > > > > about the motivations behind this bullshit. It could be merely shock > > > > & awe, designed to get him more viewers that love to live > vicariously > > > > through others that feel they can disrespect people and get away > > with it. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > billcammack > > > > http://reelsolid.tv > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rupert > > > > > http://twittervlog.tv/ > > > > > http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5 Aug 2007, at 02:21, Bill Cammack wrote: > > > > > If you take Loren Feldman at face value, having never seen his > > antics > > > > > before and having no idea who he "hangs around with" in > cyberspace, > > > > > "Technigga" appears to be an idiotic video created by an idiot. > > > > > > > > > > In reality, Loren _started_a_conversation_ by sucessfully > emulating > > > > > someone who believes that's the only way the black TechCrunch > could > > > > > possibly be. He also emulated someone short-sighted enough > (Kramer, > > > > > anyone? > <http://billcammack.com/2006/11/21/kramer-flips-out-d/>) to > > > > > feel like he could "pop that kind of shit" without it having any > > > > > effect whatsoever on his career. Ultimately, there are tons of > posts > > > > > on Loren's site dissing people. This wasn't the first time, > and it's > > > > > not going to be the last time. It's his niche. > > > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > What was more interesting to me than the video itself was the > > > > > responses & non-responses from the videoblogging group. Loren > > started > > > > > the conversation, I linked to it without context and people either > > > > > wrote how they felt about it or wrote nothing at all, leaving > > opinions > > > > > about their opinions to one's imagination. > > > > > > > > > > Having said that, I don't know anything about Loren Feldman > > other than > > > > > what I've observed that's freely available on the net... a lot of > > > > > which, I've linked to in this post. It's possible that I'm > > completely > > > > > wrong. It's possible that he really thinks this stuff and his > > view of > > > > > black people is that limited. However... > > > > > > > > > > I think you've all been Hornswoggled! :D > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > billcammack > > > > > http://reelsolid.tv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >
