Actually.... I just remembered that I solved a problem similar to this when I was writing the VideoPress Video Embed plugin.
The VideoPress Video Embed plugin provide code other people can use to embed your video on other people's pages. The thing is, I marked that "embed code" semantically with a "videoembed" class, so that videos could be embedded in an automated fashion. For example.... <texarea class="videoembed">...the embed code...</textarea> or... <div class="videoembed">...the embed code...</div> (This should be able to be easily added to vPIP's "embed code" system.) So... for a video comment... you could just look at the page that hit you with a pingback or trackback... and look for an HTML element with class="videoembed" on it... and then #1 know that that page is/has a video... and #2 know how to put/embed that video on your page. Of course... with embedding... you'll have to be careful with what you allow to be embedded. But that's just a detail. (For example, you might want to not allow <script> tags or <style> tags, but allow <embed> and <object> or whatever.) See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. http://ChangeLog.ca/ Motorsport Videos http://TireBiterZ.com/ Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/ On Feb 5, 2008 9:09 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rather than extending the TrackBack or Pingback protocols, perhaps we > could support the "marking" of the video (and being the "content"... > and thus the thing being a video comment) with some Semantic HTML. > > I.e., using HTML classes, special HTML elements, and HTML "rel" and > "rev" attributes to express meaning. > > Maybe something like... > > <cite> > <a rev="comment" href="http://example.com/what_i_am_commenting_to";>...</a> > > <embed class="comment" src="..."></embed> > </cite> > > or... > > <cite> > <a rev="comment" href="http://example.com/what_i_am_commenting_to";>...</a> > > <a rel="enclosure" class="comment" href="..." > type="video/..."><img class="thumbnail" src="thumbnail.jpg" /></a> > </cite> > > ... Depending on how you're putting your video into your webpage. > (I.e., embeding it or linking to it.) > > (Obviously we should think about the HTML constructs a little more. > And see what people are already doing and accommodate them... rather > than try to dictate to everyone what they have to do.) > > From a Show in the Box (and WordPress) point-of-view... for each of > your Linkbacks... you'd just need to go parse the HTML block that was > said to link to you... and look for Semantic HTML markup that would > indicate a video comment. > > > -- > Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. > http://ChangeLog.ca/ > > Motorsport Videos > http://TireBiterZ.com/ > > Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/ > > > > > On Feb 5, 2008 8:55 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You know..... I remember reading somewhere that, when the HTTP > > protocol (that the web is build upon) was being designed, they > > actually wanted a include a mechanism to keep track of what other > > pages were linking to you. > > > > If I recall correctly, the "HTTP Referer".... and yes you're suppose > > to mis-spell "referrer" as "referer" in this context... was a much > > much weaker form of this concept. (I guess they ran out of time to do > > it properly.) > > > > There's a handful of protocols for handling this... > > > > TrackBack > > http://www.sixapart.com/pronet/docs/trackback_spec > > > > Pingback > > http://www.hixie.ch/specs/pingback/pingback > > > > There's also something called "Refback"... but I couldn't find a spec for > > it. > > > > In general, people seem to call this concept "Linkbacks".... although > > sometime people seem to just use "TrackBack" and "Pingback" as a > > generic term too (that is synonymous with "Linkback".) > > > > > > > > See ya > > > > -- > > Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. > > http://ChangeLog.ca/ > > > > Motorsport Videos > > http://TireBiterZ.com/ > > > > Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/ > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 5, 2008 8:34 AM, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I've been thinking about what Charles said. > > > > > > In theory we could extend wordpress' trackback mechanism. > > > > > > I'm not sure exactly how it currently works, but we could basically > > > just extend it to identify video enclosures and embed those in the > > > original blog post comments area. > > > > > > This might be THE simplest form of encouraging cross blogging. > > > > > > The next step would then be to make wordpress' comments RSS support > > > enclosures. > > > > > > I'm not by any means an expert on Wordpress' trackback mechanisms but > > > these should theoretically be two very practical steps that would > > > encourage not just leaving videos in comments, but also "re-vlogging" > > > your responses. > > > > > > I don't think these replace the need for a good video conversation > > > tracker, but they're certainly very pragmatic / accomplishable first > > > steps that would immediately enliven vlogging. > > > > > > It occurs to me that perhaps in the future a little CSS style work > > > might be helpful in wordpress as well. > > > > > > Perhaps thee so called 'video" responses should be brought up along > > > side the original video (like on youtube), so they're more visible. > > > This would involve pulling additional content such as thumbnails from > > > trackbacks as well. > > > > > > Anyway, I like this idea, it's far more practical then then having a > > > 3rd party tracker, and even better fits much better into the SIAB > > > project schema. > > > > > > Let's keep talking about it. Maybe we can get to the point where we > > > can identify and work out some of the issues, do a little research, > > > spec out and design some concepts. Even if this is something that > > > SIAB devides not to pursue I'd find the process worthwhile and perhaps > > > it would lead to other things. > > > > > > So... does anyone know any practical reasons why we cannot expand on > > > trackbacks to identify videos and embed them in the comments on the > > > original post? > > > > > > -Mike > > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/4/08, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I would be nice if, for example, each WordPress (or Show in a Box) > > > > based video blog had a plugin that could show the entire threaded > > > > convo itself. > > > > > > > > That way you could see the convo no matter which video blog you were > > > on. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. > > > > http://ChangeLog.ca/ > > > > > > > > Motorsport Videos > > > > http://TireBiterZ.com/ > > > > > > > > Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 4, 2008 3:58 AM, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So Jay, is this an offer to develop it? > > > > > > I would be very happy to contribute feedback, design, CSS, light > > > > > > coding / anything I can just as long as it's either a) open source, > > > or > > > > > > b) I have some stake in the entity building it. I'm just sick of > > > > > > helping unappreciative companies / people build things that profit > > > > > > them and not giving anything back. The succubus is a good metaphor. > > > > > > > > > > yeah, lets not worry about creating a business. > > > > > go into porn or the new Blackwater-style security services to make > > > money. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The primary requirements of such a system is users will be able to > > > add > > > > > > RSS 2.0 / mediaRSS feeds with videos in them... it will also need > > > to > > > > > > regularly crawl and DB these feeds and identify permalinks in the > > > > > > posts cross referencing other posts. > > > > > > > > > > Take a moment to check out Andreas writings on tracking > > > conversations. > > > > > He recently reminded me of his work back in 2004(!). Not sure if I > > > was > > > > > ready to grasp his ideas back then. > > > > > http://www.solitude.dk/tag/conversation+tracking > > > > > > > > > > my experience and desire for any system screams for a visual > > > presentation. > > > > > a list of links doesnt excite me. > > > > > I want to see thumbnails. > > > > > i want to watch videos i the page easily. > > > > > i want the page to make the videos look good. > > > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > http://jaydedman.com > > > > > 917 371 6790 > > > > > Professional: http://ryanishungry.com > > > > > Personal: http://momentshowing.net > > > > > Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ > > > > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman > > > > > RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 > > > > > > > >
