Hi Marda, Thank you for posting such an interesting reply to this thread.
It is difficult to believe that, even in 2023, a store rep would treat you differently than your husband. I continue to hear such things and it truly saddens me to no end. Such things are detestable. Sadly, many tech stores attempt to blame the customer rather than doing some serious troubleshooting. I'll bet if you took your devices to a carrier store, they would blame Apple. I, too, have encountered such scenarios. It is awful. As for the article that states that the 14 models hold up better than the 15 models, I am not surprised. So, yesterday, while in the store, as I was holding my beloved 14 in one hand and a 15 in the other, an employee of the store, with whom I have more than a passing acquaintance, asked, "What do you think of the knew phone?" In an extremely quiet and somewhat conspiratorial tone I replied, "Honestly, it feels like a cheap piece of plastic." We both laughed out loud. It was a wonderful moment. Again, thank you for posting. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Marda <marda.pian...@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 6:59 PM To: M. Taylor <markthew...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Mark's First VoiceOver Experience with iPhone 15 Plus and iPhone 15 Pro Max Running iOS 17. From an article I read on applevis it seems the voiceover problems are very intermittent, have happened with five of their editorial team and another user they know of and aren't easily reproduceable because they don't happen every time and they happen with really very very few users. Kind of reminds me of medications that have to report certain side effects that happen one time but rarely if ever happen. They have to report it so they cover themselves but the risk of it happening is very very low to any given person. I sort of view the voiceover issues in 17 this way. I was going to first put it on a backup older phone as my husband has always done and recommended but even he, generally cautious and conservative as he is when it comes to such things, has decided to take the plunge and update his primary phone this weekend. Think I will probably do the same because my backup phone has apps on it that I like to use but I don't use it for phone calls so I can't test things like how it will react on calls so I'm figuring I'll probably download and install it as well on my primary device. Thinking though of getting another phone. I don't really want to and it would be a financial hardship but I have been having a lot of issues with the SE2022 that I purchased in March. One of them is what appears to be a fairly common issue, happening to my husband as well with his SE2022 purchased last October, where the battery not only drains very very quickly even when the phone isn't being used (like for me a couple of days ago I took it out for the evening and didn't even use it but it went from 100 percent to 32 percent in only about five hours. I have a case with another battery so could have managed but still this is disturbing. Both of us are having a another issue where the phone gets hot very quickly with minimal use, no heavy gaming or anything. He has had the same kind of battery issues too whether he has charged his phone in the more traditional way using the ilightning cable or with a mag safe battery and charger. I went to the apple store a few weeks ago for these issues plus another one where I was getting crackling sounds and seemingly broken up sounds like you'd get when the phone signal is inadequate or breaking up but those conditions weren't happening, signal strength was strong and all that. When I took the phone off automaticaly going to speakerphone it helped some but the problem still persisted. I was hoping apple would either give me a new battery or a new phone or something since I have apple care plus but they did neither. They told me it could be a problem with my carrier or a software issue or a hardware issue (really helpful) and they were slightly more helpful to my husband who was with me because the guy actually spoke to him respectfully rather than dismissively and condescendingly as he did to me. But even so he basically tried to blame us or the carrier. A totally wasted trip to the store, no resolution of the issue. So I don't use speakerphone anymore and that helped some. But that doesn't sound like a carrier issue to me. If it's a software issue the guy told us we might have to actually take everything off the phone and start totally from scratch. On a totally unrelated note, I read an interesting article about the new iPhones that are made of titanium. Yes they are lighter which is neat. But this article did a drop test and compared a 14 pro to a 15 (the 15 being titanium, the 14 stainless steel) and let's just say that the titanium didn't hold up well when dropped compared to the 14. So it makes me wonder because I'm not hard on phones. I've only dropped it once or twice and not from a great distance. But it does make me think a little about even if I do get a new phone whether to get a 13 or 14 rather than the new 15 which I probably couldn't afford anyway. Pretty badd when the newer model ends up being less durable. Makes me wonder more about planned obsolescence with apple. Marda On 9/23/2023 7:56 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > Hello All, > > I first sent this message to the list, yesterday, Friday, at around > 12-noon, local time but the mailing list servers were down. > > So, I am posting this again, now. > > Mark > > Original Message Posted on Friday, September 22, 2023: > > Hello All, > > Well, I spent 3 hours in the Apple Store this morning with both a 15 > Plus and a 15 Pro Max running iOS 17. > > As for the physical devices? They definitely weigh less than the 14 series. > > I am happy to report that I could not reproduce any of the VoiceOver > problems discussed on the list, of late. > > For example, the single-finger, double-tap problem simply does not > exist on the 15 models I tested. > > I had a friend of mine, the executive manager of the store, download a > few third-party apps such as Amazon, Libby, and Yelp. To my delight, > VoiceOver functioned just as expected. > > Of course, I was not able to test VoiceOver functionality with my > personal primary third-party app; so in no way am I suggesting that > my testing was definitive or comprehensive. > > However, I can say that my first experience with iOS 17 was a good one. > > I was delighted to discover that while there were hundreds of preorder > customers waiting in-line, outside the location, the store had plenty > of iPhone 15 models, in all four major categories, ready to be > purchase by those of us who did not preorder. > > I wasn't planning on buying a 15 but I have to admit that I really, > really like that new action button, featured on the Pro models. > Perhaps I'll pick up a 15 Pro Max in the next week or so, after I've given it > some thought. > > I did, however, purchase a set of wired Ear Pods with the USBC > connector and the USBC to Lightning adaptor so that I can continue to > use my already purchased Lightning Ear Pods with USBC devices. It's all > about "baby steps" > (smile). > > Your Brother in the Journey, > > Mark > > -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/001501d9eeed%24f8041fe0%24e80c5fa0%24%40gmail.com.
