Akira - yes this conversation did happen; but it is/was NOT supposed to be public. The subject line is also misleading.
Celani (via Passerini) should not have posted it. But, since 'LA-cat is out of the bag,' why not make the best of it? This is an extraordinarily important validation for the field in general, but not exactly for Rossi. The one important correction is that Claytor uses deuterium in gas-phase (which is "hydrogen", so the original statement is technically not incorrect). My main comment: Tritium is easy to verify, even in minute quantities. It is the gold standard of proof since it is not natural and radioactive. Plus the radioactive decay rate is well-known; so there is little possible argument of mistake. Especially not when the authority is also from LANL and at a high level! They have a certain expertise with tritium, shall we say, going back to the birth of atomic energy. Indeed, when published (after the patent filing) this work will most likely be considered to represent ROCK SOLID proof of LERN, and of nuclear fusion of deuterons, but the net thermal gain is far, far below what Rossi claims. And again - this is NOT protium as the active gas. The gas is deuterium, so it is very different in many important ways. Too bad for the LENR skeptics in one sense: LENR is real. BTW, early reports of this work is probably what has silenced the usual skeptics, like Park. As for Rossi, things are less certain in the sense of absolute proof. This report really does not speak to the Rossi-effect being either nuclear or robust. As for now, the main argument for the reality of the Rossi effect will be better proof of the COP, unless he can show documented radioactivity with known decay curves like tritium. This has NOT been done, contrary to reports. The biggest question: can Rossi show the strong thermal effect with no electrical input? My feeling is that he can, and will, within weeks. Jones -----Original Message----- From: Akira Shirakawa Hello group, It looks like there have been interesting news on the (private) CMNS mailing list as of late. Passerini in his latest post on his 22passi blog reported one email in particular (probably forwarded by Celani) regarding tritium production from Rossi-like Ni-H LENR experiments. I assume it's safe to copy and paste an excerpt here as well: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/07/da-nichel-e-idrogeno-nasce-il-trizio.htm l Brian Ahern wrote: Dave, I just spoke with Tom Claytor at Los Alamos NL after I heard a rumor he was getting tritium from his Rossi-like experiments. I expected that it was a rumor from 20 years ago when his named was associated with CF and tritium. Surprisingly, that was not the case. He is using nanopowder alloys and hydrogen and he was getting 5% excess energy. Now he says he can reliably and repeatedly move between 5% and 16% with the 'movement of a control'. They are writing up patent applications right now, so I could not press him for details. The tritium is real, but so low as to provide no health or proliferation hazard. I asked him about DOE Headquarters and their attitude. He said their recent proposal was deemed in the top five for the year, so they are getting some funding. I asked him if he saw the potential for this becoming useful in a direct path. He said that he and his team do indeed see a path for development. I hope it is related to voltage triggering. Don't you think Matrix Capital should start looking closely at this area? At least to correspond with LANL? * * * Cheers, S.A.
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