Respectfully, the inclusion of the second part does not seem to make much sense.
On Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 8:02 PM Stella Ng <s...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hello Andreas and Todd, > > I am not Rosie, but I believe I can field this. > > First, as a reminder to all, the UCoC was created to establish a minimum > set of guidelines for expected and unacceptable behavior. However, it does > not make existing community policies irrelevant. Currently, communities in > our global movement may have different policies around the disclosure of > private information (“doxxing”), specifically taking into context what is > going on on a day-to-day basis, as well as relationship and political > dynamics (such as the position of power or influence) that the individuals > involved could have. Depending on the specific context of your examples, > interpretation and action could differ widely under those doxxing > policies. > > What would be contextually consistent across the communities, however, is > the UCoC. If we look specifically at section 3.1, which is what doxxing is > nested under, what is important to note is context - specifically that if > the information is provided or the behavior is “intended primarily to > intimidate, outrage or upset a person, or any behaviour where this would > reasonably be considered the most likely main outcome” (emphasis added). > The next sentence expands further that “Behaviour can be considered > harassment if it is beyond what a reasonable person would be expected to > tolerate in a global, intercultural environment.” (emphasis added) The > policy as written is pretty clear that both intent and what is often called > in law the “reasonable person > <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/reasonable_person#:~:text=Noun&text=(law)%20A%20fictional%20person%20used,due%20care%20in%20like%20circumstances.%22>” > test applies. This is one of the reasons that the Enforcement Guidelines > are built around human review since application of policy will always > require judgment. The community members who review situations will > hopefully read the text in context within the policy and will also have > experience in understanding the parties involved, their unique dynamics > within their respective communities, and their own project policies on > doxxing as COI, as they will have the experience of dealing with the day to > day. > > However, it is likely the standards could be clarified further in the > round of Policy review that will be conducted a year after the completion > of Phase 2. > > > Regards, > > Stella > > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 11:02 PM Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Actually, you're technically even breaching it saying it here, since the >> mailing list is "outside the Wikimedia projects". >> >> I would agree that this needs substantial clarification, especially >> regarding both spammers and already-public information. >> >> Regards, >> >> Todd Allen >> >> On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 12:02 PM Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Rosie, >>> >>> Could you kindly also look at and clarify the following passage in the >>> Universal Code of Conduct: >>> >>> >>> - *Disclosure of personal data (Doxing):* sharing other >>> contributors' private information, such as name, place of employment, >>> physical or email address without their explicit consent either on the >>> Wikimedia projects or elsewhere, or sharing information concerning their >>> Wikimedia activity outside the projects. >>> >>> >>> As written, the first part of this says that contributors must no longer >>> state – on Wikipedia or elsewhere – that a particular editor appears to be >>> working for a PR firm, is a congressional staffer,[1] etc. >>> >>> The second part forbids any and all discussion of contributors' >>> Wikimedia activity outside the projects. (For example, if I were to say on >>> Twitter that User:Koavf has made over 2 million edits to Wikipedia, I would >>> already be in breach of the code as written.) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Andreas >>> >>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Congressional_staffer_edits >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 5:09 PM Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight < >>> rstephen...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> The Community Affairs Committee of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of >>>> Trustees would like to thank everyone who participated in the recently >>>> concluded community vote on the Enforcement Guidelines for the >>>> Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC) >>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Enforcement_guidelines> >>>> . >>>> >>>> The volunteer scrutinizing group has completed the review of the >>>> accuracy of the vote and has reported the total number of votes received as >>>> 2,283. Out of the 2,283 votes received, 1,338 (58.6%) community members >>>> voted for the enforcement guidelines, and a total of 945 (41.4%) community >>>> members voted against it. In addition, 658 participants left comments, with >>>> 77% of the comments written in English. >>>> >>>> We recognize and appreciate the passion and commitment that community >>>> members have demonstrated in creating a safe and welcoming culture. >>>> Wikimedia community culture stops hostile and toxic behavior, supports >>>> people targeted by such behavior, and encourages good faith people to be >>>> productive on the Wikimedia projects. >>>> >>>> Even at this incomplete stage, this is evident in the comments >>>> received. The Enforcement Guidelines did reach a threshold of support >>>> necessary for the Board to review. However, we encouraged voters, >>>> regardless of how they were voting, to provide feedback on the elements of >>>> the enforcement guidelines. We asked the voters to inform us what changes >>>> were needed and in case it was prudent to launch a further round of edits >>>> that would address community concerns. >>>> >>>> Foundation staff who have been reviewing comments have advised us of the >>>> emerging themes. As a result, as Community Affairs Committee, we have >>>> decided to ask the Foundation to reconvene the Drafting Committee. The >>>> Drafting Committee will undertake another community engagement to refine >>>> the enforcement guidelines based on the community feedback received from >>>> the recently concluded vote. >>>> >>>> For clarity, this feedback has been clustered into four sections as >>>> follows: >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. >>>> >>>> To identify the type, purpose, and applicability of the UCoC >>>> training; >>>> 2. >>>> >>>> To simplify the language for more accessible translation and >>>> comprehension by non-experts; >>>> 3. >>>> >>>> To explore the concept of affirmation, including its pros and cons; >>>> 4. >>>> >>>> To review the conflicting roles of privacy/victim protection and >>>> the right to be heard. >>>> >>>> >>>> Other issues may emerge during conversations, particularly as the draft >>>> Enforcement Guidelines evolve, but we see these as the primary areas of >>>> concern for voters. Therefore, we are asking staff to facilitate a review >>>> of these issues. Then, after the further engagement, the Foundation should >>>> re-run the community vote to evaluate the redrafted Enforcement Outline to >>>> see if the new document is ready for its official ratification. >>>> >>>> Further, we are aware of the concerns with note 3.1 in the Universal >>>> Code of Conduct Policy. Therefore, we are directing the Foundation to >>>> review this part of the Code to ensure that the Policy meets its intended >>>> purposes of supporting a safe and inclusive community without waiting for >>>> the planned review of the entire Policy at the end of the year. >>>> >>>> Again, we thank all who participated in the vote and discussion, >>>> thinking about these complex challenges and contributing to better >>>> approaches to working together well across the movement. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Rosie >>>> >>>> *Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight *(she/her) >>>> >>>> Acting Chair, Community Affairs Committee >>>> >>>> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> Board of >>>> Trustees >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >>>> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>> Public archives at >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/JAYQN3NYKCHQHONMUONYTI6WRKZFQNSC/ >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/FT4YMOEEOH5TNUPNRKNFQH2WLVDCRNPS/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/5CV2KU3G6UAKTJPCDFQG6HFTMYO2US7R/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/4TAB4MZK6TU5RMQR2ICQFZLM3ZH2DK6P/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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