This is a very excellent report. Thanks to all for the work put into it. On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 10:47 AM Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I see one of the key things in the the movement and the WMF has developed > is thats leaving behind the volunteers and contributors. There is focus on > top down, corporate structures in everything and details fear of failure in > attempting projects in some ways a lost of trust of volunteers altogether. > Significant bias is developing into favouring those who can write great > documents and applications in an academic grant format leaving behind many > of our "anyone can edit" community who arent as proficient in grant writing > especially in an english/european academic format. > > Wikipedia started in the academic model with Nupedia, but it was found > that those outside that circle were doing it more effectively in so many > ways that when it shifted. The current system we have fallen into is > symptom of the lack understanding of the communities where contributors > arent as prominent in the decision processes but rather its people entering > from those systems that failed Nupedia making the decisions using complex > talk fests and year on year never ending discussion. You just need to look > at the current BoT elections to see how long it takes to get anywhere, > strategy started 7 years ago and yet we still havent even reached the > implementation of anything. Many of the contributors that brought into and > had input have moved on, there's large cohort of contributors that have > joined since then. > > Our biggest successes now are coming from people who move outside the > systems in place. Even now we chose play it safe and over use things like > "Wiki Loves..." rather than step out of the comfortable zones. We need to > think differently again and trust to the community to do what cant be done, > just like it did 20 years ago, less bureaucracy more trust, be bold > nothing should be a big deal. > > On Thu, 8 Sept 2022 at 21:19, Nicola Zeuner <nicola.zeu...@wikimedia.de> > wrote: > >> Hi Nathan, >> >> Thanks for bringing up comparability. The paper points out that the >> historic development of the international office in the sampled cases is >> different from how the WMF was formed. This does not, in my view, preclude >> us from comparing systems. >> >> I agree with Andreas that the central value of our movement is provided >> by volunteers, and they organize in affiliates. The WMF has many central >> functions, which is probably what you are referring to, including >> maintaining the platforms, fundraising, grantmaking, community development, >> advocacy, to name but a few. The sampled INGOs secretariats have a great >> variety of functions as well, but typically not including fundraising and >> grantmaking. >> >> With 2030 Movement Strategy's drive toward decentralizing functions >> (incl. fundraising), those of us working on and contributing to the charter >> and policies should take good care at reviewing functions to see which ones >> are still appropriate and effective to be done by a central org, and which >> ones make more sense to do locally. Studying other global movements, in my >> view, makes a lot of sense here, *especially *if they have grown >> differently and gone through cycles of renewal and reform. >> >> This is our moment of redesigning and re-forming.. So let's be open, and >> not restrict our view by insisting on our exceptionality. >> >> best, >> Nikki >> >> >> Nikki Zeuner >> Senior Advisor Global Partnerships >> >> Wikimedia Deutschland e. V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin >> Tel. 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I'm hoping >>> you can elaborate on WMDE's thinking around selecting INGOs for evaluation. >>> Your criteria is very straightforward - INGOs with a confederation of >>> independent organizations, connected by a global mission. >>> >>> But each of your selected INGOs is composed of individual organizations >>> that deliver the products and services that advance the global mission >>> within their geographic area, with an "international office" that fulfills >>> a coordination and governance role. By contrast, the bulk of >>> mission-related services from the Wikimedia movement are offered to the >>> world at large centrally by the international office (i.e. the Wikimedia >>> projects). Did WMDE consider how comparable these INGOs are to the >>> Wikimedia movement in this sense? I don't see a section of your paper that >>> compares the service/product delivery structure of these INGOs, so perhaps >>> this distinction did not come up during your review? Or is the thinking >>> that decentralization of project hosting and support is on the table, and >>> the report can inform that consideration? >>> >>> Thanks for any insight you can share, >>> Nate >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/OYCZ7RD2CC4E7HQEIAIDKFZJP7ALCCQH/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/7CSPUY5K5SMSFAK4TKD24K7W3VBGKRRC/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > -- > Boodarwun > Gnangarra > 'ngany dabakarn koorliny arn boodjera dardoon ngalang Nyungar > koortaboodjar' > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/7MRJ7ZFZU7VMVOPPZS5MN4GCB3Z5L7NL/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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