Again at no point should even an improved version be considered a source; at best it would be a research or editing tool.
On Wed, May 17, 2023, 4:40 AM Lane Chance <zinkl...@gmail.com> wrote: > Keep in mind how fast these tools change. ChatGPT, Bard and > competitors understand well the issues with lack of sources, and Bard > does sometimes put a suitable source in a footnote, even if it > (somewhat disappointingly) just links to wikipedia. There's likely to > be a variation soon that does a decent job of providing references, > and at that point the role of these tools moves beyond being an > amusement to a far more credible research tool. > > So, these long discussions about impact on open knowledge are quite > likely to have to run again in 2024... > > On Wed, 17 May 2023 at 09:24, Kiril Simeonovski > <kiril.simeonov...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Thank you everyone for your input. > > > > Your considerations are very similar to mine, and they give a clear > direction towards what the guidelines regarding the use of ChatGPT should > point to. > > > > Best regards, > > Kiril > > > > On Wed, 17 May 2023 at 10:11, Ilario valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Define "reliable source". > >> > >> A source is reliable if can be consulted by other people than the editor > >> to check the content. > >> > >> Is this possible with ChatGPT? No, becaue if you address the same > >> question to CHatGPT, you will have a different answer. > >> > >> In this case how the people verificaying the information can check that > >> the editor did not invent the result? > >> > >> Kind regards > >> > >> On 17/05/2023 09:08, Kiril Simeonovski wrote: > >> > Dear Wikimedians, > >> > > >> > Two days ago, a participant in one of our edit-a-thons consulted > >> > ChatGPT when writing an article on the Macedonian Wikipedia that did > >> > not exist on any other language edition. ChatGPT provided some output, > >> > but the problem was how to cite it. > >> > > >> > The community on the Macedonian Wikipedia has not yet had a discussion > >> > on this matter and we do not have any guidelines. So, my main > >> > questions are the following: > >> > > >> > * Can ChatGPT be used as a reliable source and, if yes, how would the > >> > citation look like? > >> > > >> > * Are there any ongoing community discussions on introducing > guidelines? > >> > > >> > My personal opinion is that ChatGPT should be avoided as a reliable > >> > source, and only the original source where the algorithm gets the > >> > information from should be used. > >> > > >> > Best regards, > >> > Kiril > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, > guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/WMGIBNPN5JNJGUOCLWFCCPD7EL5YN6KU/ > >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > >> > >> -- > >> Ilario Valdelli > >> Wikimedia CH > >> Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > >> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre > >> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera > >> Switzerland - 8008 Zürich > >> Wikipedia: Ilario > >> Skype: valdelli > >> Tel: +41764821371 > >> http://www.wikimedia.ch > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/4L4K2BUD3YYTAKN6JPHVSSVGOFHW5AKG/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/DNOFFTF2DECPFETILCWBOVT5AD63R3UH/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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