May I just add, please, that we many times requested to work out an MOU with Moleskine, and kept having procrastinations.
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 11:15 AM <wikimediaza-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > Send WikimediaZA mailing list submissions to > wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, please visit > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaza.lists.wikimedia.org/ > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wikimediaza-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of WikimediaZA digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration South Africa event > (Rossouw van Rooyen) > 2. Invitation to Participate in the Enforcement Draft Guidelines Review > Meeting on Friday! > (Sam Oyeyele) > 3. Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration South Africa event > (Bobby Shabangu) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 10:30:31 +0200 > From: Rossouw van Rooyen <rossou...@gmail.com> > Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration > South Africa event > To: wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org > Cc: Shupai Mchuchu <shu...@wikimedia.org.za>, Ngonidzashe Chipunza > <chipunz...@gmail.com> > Message-ID: > < > caj-fzl-pjpnirrvubmnevykxrrenjz_wpda1s4hdrnnb1hx...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Not that I am under any illusion that my opinion matters, but I strongly > recommend everyone to have absolutely nothing to do with this > leech-organisation. > > > > > > > > > *Rossouw van RooyenFarm ManagerWildheim <https://www.wildheim.net/>Cell: > 081 874 1191Tel: 063 280 650* > > > On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 10:21, Michael Graaf <graaf.mich...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > what I was saying was that instead of seeing this as an issue of > Afrikaans > > being discriminated against, it should be seen as careless > > communication/ignorance on the part of Moleskine. We would all gladly > > support them if they announced that their mission was to boost > marginalised > > languages (those with small wikis/few contributors). However,they > expressed > > it by saying they want to support indigenous languages, with an > assumption > > that these two categories overlap. > > > > However Afrikaans is an exception, since it isn't marginalised. They > failed > > to take that fact into consideration, and hence they raised false > > expectations. Then, adding insult to injury, they tried to explain by > > saying Afrikaans is not indigenous, rather than that it's not > marginalised. > > So we need to advise them to be more careful. > > > > On a personal note, let me remind board members that we have previously > > discussed the issue of "Afrikaaps" being the marginalised side of > > Afrikaans. After I shared a radio interview with you, I was mandated to > > contact the panelists, which I did, but without them taking up the offer > of > > a workshop. More recently UWC has published the first dictionary of > > Afrikaaps, so perhaps someone there might be interested in dialogue. > > > > Regards, > > > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 8:15 AM Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshaba...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Shupai, > > > > > > Kindly remind me what resolution did we take on the issue Deon is > > raising. > > > I remember him raising that he applied for the Wikimedian in Residence > > > position and he made a follow up why he was not selected as a candidate > > but > > > instead he was informed they don't recognize Afrikaans, @Deon correct > me > > if > > > I'm wrong here! > > > > > > I think I said I was going to write a letter to chastise them for such > > > kind of harsh response since Rossouw an Afrikaans speaker played a > > pivotal > > > role in this project. And I remember Michael speaking but my internet > > went > > > down I don't remember how we finally said we were gonna move forward > with > > > this issue? Kindly remind me so that I respond immediately. > > > > > > Best, > > > Bobby Shabangu > > > > > > On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 08:00, <deon.st...@ntnis.co.za> wrote: > > > > > >> Hi guys > > >> > > >> The very same people that does not recognise Afrikaans as an > indigenous > > >> language... > > >> > > >> Deon > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshaba...@gmail.com> > > >> Sent: Woensdag 22 September 2021 02:25 > > >> To: Tochi Precious <tochiprecio...@gmail.com>; WikimediaZA List > > >> <wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org>; Shupai Mchuchu < > > >> shu...@wikimedia.org.za>; > > >> Ngonidzashe Chipunza <chipunz...@gmail.com> > > >> Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration > > >> South > > >> Africa event > > >> > > >> Dear Tochi, > > >> > > >> Thanks for reaching out, we already know about this project from a > > >> presentation made by Papa some couple of months back. Shupai our > > >> administrator will let you know there are more volunteers from the > > Chapter > > >> and community who would like to take part here. > > >> > > >> @Shupai Mchuchu <shu...@wikimedia.org.za> kindly note these dates > and > > >> send > > >> me a reminder 2 days before it takes place. Also kindly send this to > our > > >> community and board to find out if there aren't any volunteers who > would > > >> want to take part and volunteer with their time in this project. I'll > > >> certainly be there. > > >> > > >> Best regards, > > >> Bobby Shabangu > > >> > > >> On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 16:59, Tochi Precious < > tochiprecio...@gmail.com > > > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Hello Bobby, my name is [[User: Tochiprecious]]. I'm one of the > > >> > founding members of @wikimediaigbo and also a Wikipedian in > Residence > > >> > at Moleskine Foundation working on the WikiAfrica Education project. > > >> > > > >> > I pioneered the last AfroCuration on 4th and 5th September in > > >> > Mozambique where I worked with the WMF Language Team to get the > > >> > Makhuwa language Wikipedia into the incubator. We had over 70 > > >> > participants and have created over 120 articles since then. > > >> > > > >> > My next program is in S.A, with Constitution Hill and Harambee on > 26th > > >> > and 27th of October and I would like to ask for your assistance as a > > >> > User Group to help train new editors to edit your language > Wikipedia, > > >> > and also mentor them to become part of your user group and also > > >> > knowledge contributors in your language on Wiki. > > >> > > > >> > Also, I would like to find out the languages that the S.A User Group > > >> > edits Wiki in. > > >> > > > >> > I'll be looking forward to hearing from you soon. > > >> > > > >> > Thanks a lot > > >> > Tochi > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> WikimediaZA mailing list -- wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org To > > >> unsubscribe > > >> send an email to wikimediaza-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > >> To unsubscribe, send an email to %(real_name)s-unsubscribe@ > > %(host_name)s > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> WikimediaZA mailing list -- wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org > > >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimediaza-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > >> To unsubscribe, send an email to %(real_name)s-unsubscribe@ > > %(host_name)s > > >> > > > > > > > -- > > Michael Graaf, M.Phil (UCT) > > > > Researcher, Editor & > > Community Informatics Practitioner > > > > Mob +27795487242 > > WhatsApp/ Signal/ Telegram +27647754342 > > ORCID 0000-0002-1951-5739 > > _______________________________________________ > > WikimediaZA mailing list -- wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimediaza-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > To unsubscribe, send an email to %(real_name)s-unsubscribe@%(host_name)s > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 09:30:46 +0100 > From: Sam Oyeyele <soyeyele-...@wikimedia.org> > Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Invitation to Participate in the Enforcement > Draft Guidelines Review Meeting on Friday! > To: "wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org" > <wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org> > Message-ID: > <CAHqU+KB=m2nXm++D8NrryRRgEiHyfZr3PTW78Ko=Q_L= > 7q3...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hello everyone, > > The UCoC drafting committee recently released the Enforcement Draft > Guidelines (EDG) on meta, which is based on your suggestions on how the > Universal Code of Conduct should be enforced. > > We are trying to get feedback on this draft, so the The Movement Strategy > team is facilitating conversations with communities around the movement. > The East African and Southern African EDGR Conversation is scheduled to > happen on Friday, 24th September 2021 at 5:00pm UTC. > > Your presence in this meeting is very crucial to the future of the > Wikimedia movement. Please endeavour to have a look at the draft guidelines > before this meeting, and check out the open questions at the bottom, so as > to know the kind of feedback that we are looking to have: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Enforcement_draft_guidelines_review > > Here’s the link to the call: > https://meet.google.com/ybv-ftiq-cct > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > Kindly, > Sam. > -- > > > Sam Oyeyele > > Facilitator, Movement Strategy & Governance > > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:14:43 +0200 > From: Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshaba...@gmail.com> > Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration > South Africa event > To: Rossouw van Rooyen <rossou...@gmail.com> > Cc: WikimediaZA List <wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org>, Shupai Mchuchu > <shu...@wikimedia.org.za>, Ngonidzashe Chipunza < > chipunz...@gmail.com> > Message-ID: > < > cafc6omdo+hqz96yzdtepysetb4pkfah-shdgj-vb0zqxe31...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Dear Michael, > > Thanks for your invaluable response. There's certainly a great need to > reach out to the coloured community for Wikipedia awareness and edit > workshops, there's a dearth of Afrikaaps on Wiki. @Shupai, trust you are > noting UWC. > > Dear > > Rossouw, your comment is noted, I'll reach out to Moleskin to raise these > concerns. > > Best, > Bobby Shabangu > > On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 10:30, Rossouw van Rooyen <rossou...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Not that I am under any illusion that my opinion matters, but I strongly > > recommend everyone to have absolutely nothing to do with this > > leech-organisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rossouw van RooyenFarm ManagerWildheim <https://www.wildheim.net/>Cell: > > 081 874 1191Tel: 063 280 650* > > > > > > On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 10:21, Michael Graaf <graaf.mich...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> what I was saying was that instead of seeing this as an issue of > Afrikaans > >> being discriminated against, it should be seen as careless > >> communication/ignorance on the part of Moleskine. We would all gladly > >> support them if they announced that their mission was to boost > >> marginalised > >> languages (those with small wikis/few contributors). However,they > >> expressed > >> it by saying they want to support indigenous languages, with an > assumption > >> that these two categories overlap. > >> > >> However Afrikaans is an exception, since it isn't marginalised. They > >> failed > >> to take that fact into consideration, and hence they raised false > >> expectations. Then, adding insult to injury, they tried to explain by > >> saying Afrikaans is not indigenous, rather than that it's not > >> marginalised. > >> So we need to advise them to be more careful. > >> > >> On a personal note, let me remind board members that we have previously > >> discussed the issue of "Afrikaaps" being the marginalised side of > >> Afrikaans. After I shared a radio interview with you, I was mandated to > >> contact the panelists, which I did, but without them taking up the offer > >> of > >> a workshop. More recently UWC has published the first dictionary of > >> Afrikaaps, so perhaps someone there might be interested in dialogue. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 8:15 AM Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshaba...@gmail.com > > > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Dear Shupai, > >> > > >> > Kindly remind me what resolution did we take on the issue Deon is > >> raising. > >> > I remember him raising that he applied for the Wikimedian in Residence > >> > position and he made a follow up why he was not selected as a > candidate > >> but > >> > instead he was informed they don't recognize Afrikaans, @Deon correct > >> me if > >> > I'm wrong here! > >> > > >> > I think I said I was going to write a letter to chastise them for such > >> > kind of harsh response since Rossouw an Afrikaans speaker played a > >> pivotal > >> > role in this project. And I remember Michael speaking but my internet > >> went > >> > down I don't remember how we finally said we were gonna move forward > >> with > >> > this issue? Kindly remind me so that I respond immediately. > >> > > >> > Best, > >> > Bobby Shabangu > >> > > >> > On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 08:00, <deon.st...@ntnis.co.za> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi guys > >> >> > >> >> The very same people that does not recognise Afrikaans as an > indigenous > >> >> language... > >> >> > >> >> Deon > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Bobby Shabangu <bobbyshaba...@gmail.com> > >> >> Sent: Woensdag 22 September 2021 02:25 > >> >> To: Tochi Precious <tochiprecio...@gmail.com>; WikimediaZA List > >> >> <wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org>; Shupai Mchuchu < > >> >> shu...@wikimedia.org.za>; > >> >> Ngonidzashe Chipunza <chipunz...@gmail.com> > >> >> Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration > >> >> South > >> >> Africa event > >> >> > >> >> Dear Tochi, > >> >> > >> >> Thanks for reaching out, we already know about this project from a > >> >> presentation made by Papa some couple of months back. Shupai our > >> >> administrator will let you know there are more volunteers from the > >> Chapter > >> >> and community who would like to take part here. > >> >> > >> >> @Shupai Mchuchu <shu...@wikimedia.org.za> kindly note these dates > and > >> >> send > >> >> me a reminder 2 days before it takes place. Also kindly send this to > >> our > >> >> community and board to find out if there aren't any volunteers who > >> would > >> >> want to take part and volunteer with their time in this project. I'll > >> >> certainly be there. > >> >> > >> >> Best regards, > >> >> Bobby Shabangu > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 16:59, Tochi Precious < > >> tochiprecio...@gmail.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Hello Bobby, my name is [[User: Tochiprecious]]. I'm one of the > >> >> > founding members of @wikimediaigbo and also a Wikipedian in > Residence > >> >> > at Moleskine Foundation working on the WikiAfrica Education > project. > >> >> > > >> >> > I pioneered the last AfroCuration on 4th and 5th September in > >> >> > Mozambique where I worked with the WMF Language Team to get the > >> >> > Makhuwa language Wikipedia into the incubator. We had over 70 > >> >> > participants and have created over 120 articles since then. > >> >> > > >> >> > My next program is in S.A, with Constitution Hill and Harambee on > >> 26th > >> >> > and 27th of October and I would like to ask for your assistance as > a > >> >> > User Group to help train new editors to edit your language > Wikipedia, > >> >> > and also mentor them to become part of your user group and also > >> >> > knowledge contributors in your language on Wiki. > >> >> > > >> >> > Also, I would like to find out the languages that the S.A User > Group > >> >> > edits Wiki in. > >> >> > > >> >> > I'll be looking forward to hearing from you soon. > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks a lot > >> >> > Tochi > >> >> > > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> WikimediaZA mailing list -- wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org To > >> >> unsubscribe > >> >> send an email to wikimediaza-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > >> >> To unsubscribe, send an email to %(real_name)s-unsubscribe@ > >> %(host_name)s > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> WikimediaZA mailing list -- wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org > >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to > wikimediaza-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > >> >> To unsubscribe, send an email to %(real_name)s-unsubscribe@ > >> %(host_name)s > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Michael Graaf, M.Phil (UCT) > >> > >> Researcher, Editor & > >> Community Informatics Practitioner > >> > >> Mob +27795487242 > >> WhatsApp/ Signal/ Telegram +27647754342 > >> ORCID 0000-0002-1951-5739 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> WikimediaZA mailing list -- wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org > >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimediaza-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > >> To unsubscribe, send an email to %(real_name)s-unsubscribe@ > %(host_name)s > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > WikimediaZA mailing list -- wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimediaza-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of WikimediaZA Digest, Vol 129, Issue 7 > ******************************************* > -- Michael Graaf, M.Phil (UCT) Researcher, Editor & Community Informatics Practitioner Mob +27795487242 WhatsApp/ Signal/ Telegram +27647754342 ORCID 0000-0002-1951-5739 _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list -- wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikimediaza-le...@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe, send an email to %(real_name)s-unsubscribe@%(host_name)s
