We had a build process that ran from a service account in a "build lab" of
over a thousand machines. We discovered that msimsp.exe/patchwiz.dll will
sometimes pop up a dialog box if we didn't do a good enough job catching all
the possible error conditions and stall waiting for its OK button to be
pressed, which was an absolute disaster in our build environment.
Pyro/torch/et al proved to be a savior for us to be able to build MSPs as a
routine development activity instead of only 3-4 times per public release at
the most.

Further, if you suppress ICE validation (since ICE validation requires
either an interactive login or administrative privileges) you can use wixpdb
files and build MSP files without having to grant your build process any
admin privilege (makes network admins happier). You can't do that with admin
installs that will eventually require administrator's privs to install.

-----Original Message-----
From: Schmitz, John [mailto:jschm...@mediacy.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:33 AM
To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Help with building patch

The way I understand a previous comment from Blair, there was no intention
to deprecate the 2.0 approach to patches. Unless I am misunderstanding
something, the 2.0 approach is much, much more useful for an automated build
than the 3.0 approach.

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Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Help with building patch

Rob he's trying to use v2.0 how-to guide with the v3.5 toolset. I'd wait
for someone else to verify this is an actual bug as it works completely
fine in v3.0.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com]
Sent: 16 November 2009 15:32
To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Help with building patch

Yes, please open a bug on v3.5. That is under development and bugs help
us quickly find what was recently broken.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Schmitz, John <jschm...@mediacy.com>
wrote:

> I installed and switched to using WIX 2.0 (stable). This clarified two
> things:
>
> 1) SOME of the changes that I specify in my bug are indeed only needed

> to adapt the WSX file to version 3.5. The original code in the page
> works with 2.0 IF you know to save it as a WSX file and use it as the
> source for the compilation.
>
> 2) 3.5 does NOT work and 2.0 DOES work. Should I enter a bug on 3.5?
>
> Thanks,
> John
> ________________________________________
> From: Schmitz, John
> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:36 AM
> To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Help with building patch
>
> I'm using 3.5.
>
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> From: os...@live.com
> Sent: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:33:06 America/New_York
> To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Help with building patch
>
>
> Version 3.0 supports both the version 2 method (msimsp.exe/PatchWiz)
> and the "pure WiX" method (torch/pyro). Version 3.5 retains that
> support.
>
> Each of those two methods in the version 3 docs are described on two
> different pages.
>
> Not sure on the error message (although I haven't looked at the code
yet).
> The TargetImages probably refers to the table itself, but with a path
> to the MSI file itself in the error message as being the missing
> symbol seems like something isn't quite right. Which version/build of
> the toolset are you actually using?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schmitz, John [mailto:jschm...@mediacy.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 1:20 PM
> To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [WiX-users] Help with building patch
>
> Hi,
>
> I have worked my way through understanding most of the things left out

> of or incorrect in the "Patch Building" page of Authoring (at
> http://wix.sourceforge.net/manual-wix2/patch_building.htm). (I've
> entered a bug on the page with what I've found along the way.)
>
> I just noticed that this is a version 2 page, and the version 3 page
> takes a totally different and (for me useless) approach. So I don't
> actually know if what I'm trying to do is possible in 3.5 or not.
>
> I'm down to just one error, which only cropped up after modifying the
> WSX code to use the TargetImage attribute of the PatchSequence. Here's

> the
> error:
>
>
> Patch.wsx(39) : error LGHT0094 : Unresolved reference to symbol
> 'TargetImages:<full path to my target MSI file>'' in section
> 'PatchCreation:{C42BF9ED-EDDA-46C0-97E3-BE0EC2D0750E}'.
>
>
> I've doubled checked the actual path I'm using in place of <full path
> to my target MSI file>, and it is definitely the correct path to the
> file - copying it from the error message and pasting it onto the end
of "dir"
> command in a command prompt results in a directory listing of the
file.
>
> There's a difference between "TargetImages" (plural) in the error
> message, and the "TargetImage" attributed that is used, but I'm
> assuming that's just a typo in the error message itself.
>
> Can anyone explain how to troubleshoot this?
>
> Thanks,
> John
> Media Cybernetics
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