> On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, M. Todd Smith wrote: > > > If you learned to DJ by counting then you missed > the point, DJ'ing is about > > listening not counting. Just because you don't > count doesn't mean you > > aren't aware of the beat. When people dance they > are very aware of the beat > > (some even stop if the DJ brings in an offbeat > mix), I know when I dance I > > don't count, and it would by my fervent belief > that no one else does either.
Absolutely agreed. You can usually hear where to cue up the record and start matching things from. However, I suspect I am "counting", just no in any literal sense. But, this depends on knowing you records (see below) > > The best DJ's I have ever met can pick up a record > they have never heard > > before and throw it down like they've owned it > forever. This is the > > intuitive knowledge of musical structure gained > through listening and paying > > attention to music. This may be partially true with one new record, if it's of a standard format, with nothing too surprising happening along the way, and the DJ takes some time to familiarize him/herself with the track before throwing it in, but it isn't true with two new records you've never heard before, unless they're trance records maybe. Also, I bet most of the best DJs would tell you they can't do this with any record. It just isn't that easy. You can usually rely on changes occuring every eight bars, and larger changes around every fourth set of eight bars, but lots of songs deviate from this, and this is just sort of a basic rule for the most standard of formats. Even then, if you don't know the record lots of surprising things can happen to throw off subtle EQing, two big bass lines might collide, whatever. You gotta know your records. Disclaimer: I know that's a total oversimplification, and that's my point. Tristan > > Perhaps the reason behind your disconcertation > with Isotope 127 is that you > > are internally trying to count, instead of > listening, and feeling the > > rhythm. Just my 2 cents > > > > Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Hillegonda Rietveld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <313@hyperreal.org>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 11:02 AM > > Subject: Re: [313] Re: Mixing and musical > structure > > > > > > > hello, > > > > > > I guess it all depends on what you mean by > internalizing. If you do not > > > count time, or are unware of it, chances are you > probably suck. If you > > > can count time and be aware of bar changes > without it taking most of the > > > space in your conscious mind you are probably > better off. It used to be > > > that I would have to use my fingers to count the > bars while counting > > > time, then I counted them verbally in my head, > and nowadays in the back > > > of my mind I just see that bars coming and going > while I think about > > > other things. You are both right in a sense. You > have to be aware of > > > time, but it cannot be all that you are aware > of. > > > > > > I saw isotope 217 play a month or so ago, their > structures were alot > > > more complicated than the usual dance stuff. I > had a very difficult time > > > keeping up with everything that was going on, it > was very pleasant > > > actually, been a long time since I have heard > something that made me > > > feel absolutely bewildered. why does music seem > less magical the more > > > you understand how it works? > > > > > > I will shut up now. > > > > > > take care, > > > Mike > > > > > > Hillegonda Rietveld wrote: > > > > > > > > Hillegonda; > > > > Yes, it helps to know about musical structure > before embarking on > > mixing - > > > > how otherwise can one distinguish beats, bars > and sections? > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > > - wut? you actually just need to be able to > count. > > > > ----------------------------- > > > > > > > > I hope you're joking - what do you count to? > 3? 4? one bar? 15? counting > > is > > > > for nippers in toddler trunks who are in > learning stage - when you > > > > actually DJ, you need to have internalised the > structure and other > > aspects > > > > of your musical selection. Only then can you > play from the heart, be the > > > > music and play with flow rather than act out > some sad calculator without > > > > direction. > > > > > > > > To use a parallel example: if you are in the > middle of some busy > > traffic, > > > > do you count distance, speed and accelleration > when crossing the road or > > > > overtaking a car? I hope not, by the time > you'd rationally achieved > > that, > > > > you'd be dead. > > > > > > > > Hillegonda. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -- > > > Michael Taylor : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.billionairesforbushorgore.com > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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