Yo - homeboys - do you mind making a new thread called "I AM GOING TO RANT ABOUT MP3'z AND NOT TALK ABOUT MYSTICISM IN ELECTRONIC MUSIC BOYEE" and stop jacking a well intentioned thread.
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:30 PM, JT Stewart <etmach...@gmail.com> wrote: > Louis said everything I was going to say (and better) in my response to > Tristan. > > The only thing that I would add is that dealing with selling your > stuff digitally is a different process than pressing up vinyl and it's > much less personal and fulfilling as a label owner/artist. The > collaborative effort is pretty much out the window. Not to say that > there aren't some great folks working at digital download sites. It's > simply not as much fun. > > And I'm not sure what you were saying about administrative costs T. > Depending on whether you do your own mastering or not, there are none. > But managing digital content and dealing with sites takes time. And > regarding that, refer back to my last paragraph. I find it quite a > pain in the ass. If the money were better I might change my tune. But > it's not good enough for me to at this point and considering how > entrenched iPods and the digital market is at this point, I wonder how > much more things could improve. > > And a last important point is that digital has the tendency to > invalidate the notion of an EP or LP, ie narrative, ie a more complex > listening experience. That sucks. It really is not a nice feeling > that music consumers can and usually do ignore whatever you (the > artist, the label) were trying to communicate. It's great some digital > buyers pick up whole releases. And I also understand it's nice to just > buy the one or two tracks that you deem worthwhile and skip the ones > you think aren't. But almost nothing about digital is actually better > for art itself; it's all access, convenience, individual imperative. > And in fact it makes the art more homogenized, not in terms of content > but just about everything else, and disposable. So yeah. I don't > really like it and I can sure understand why guys like KDJ haven't > jumped into it yet. > > I'm actually working on a digital relaunch of the dL catalog like, > right now. And I'm working on a few new vinyl releases. > > Bye. > > JT > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:47 PM, louis haiman <fwdthou...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> From someone that has no inclination to get into the vinyl game, yet I have >> TONS of respect for those in their unwavering support of vinyl... >> Having your work on vinyl is incredibly special. >> Ask a painter. Ask a stage actor. Ask any craftsperson. You'll find many >> common sentiments that answer the vinyl question. It's a purely emotional >> thing. Again, I don't do vinyl, would love to, but... >> All I can say is, think about how incredibly awesome it is when you stand in >> front of an original, awesome work of art. A human being labored over that >> canvas, slab of stone, etc. I think vinyl provides that same kind of >> connectedness. >> As for alternative/ dominant formats like MP3s, even CDS, (formats that I >> deal in)...it can be a little mindless and you need to be careful where your >> music ends up. It takes NOTHING to post MP3 files to a server, website, >> social network. >> Again, it's purely an emotional thing. Music is a craft and vinyl honors it >> best. Many artists would feel comfortable in saying that their art is not >> for everyone, not to alienate anyone, but out of self awareness. >> PEACE. OUT. >> Louis >> >>> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:34:26 +0000 >>> From: phonop...@googlemail.com >>> To: etmach...@gmail.com >>> CC: ken.odel...@dowjones.com; gwrenc...@sbcglobal.net; 313@hyperreal.org >>> Subject: Re: (313) mysticism in electronic music (and where has it gone) >>> >>> On 17/03/2009 14:08, JT Stewart wrote: >>>> If it's recorded then there is a medium, and vinyl is hardly an >>>> out-of-reach medium. So there is an available audience. But to humor >>>> your question, YES. Artists do not do what they do for the sake of the >>>> audience. Most of them anyway. Alienating the audience is not a >>>> concern. If the artists stops making their art in a way that is >>>> fulfilling for them...what happens? Don't you think that's pretty >>>> important? >>>> >>> Absolutely it is, but I'm struggling to understand what's unfulfilling >>> about providing music in an additional format - especially if there's >>> less risk than there is through the other mediums already out there. Is >>> it that the package itself is 100% essential? Is it a desire to enforce >>> audiophilia by suppressing compressed formats? Is it that the >>> administrative overhead of distributing mp3s is so high? Re: this last >>> point JT, I'm very surprised by this - can you elaborate at all? Or is >>> it some combination of all of this? I'm not trying to say any of these >>> reasons are invalid I just don't understand why adding a format would >>> somehow ruin the whole endeavour for somone unless the core impulse is >>> to force everyone else to share their values about music formats. >>> >>> And if alienating an audience is not a concern then why mass produce >>> something at all? >>> >>> Playing devil's advocate to some extent, but part of me really doesn't >>> geddit. >>> >>> Tristan >> >> ________________________________ >> Express your personality in color! 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